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Episode 20 “I don’t want to be know as the Canadian, I want to be known as a Champion”

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

This weeks guess Is none other than Truck Series star, Raphael Lessard! He sits down to talk all about his career in Motorsports so far and the many transitions he has had in his career from moving countries to just teams! 

Be sure to follow us @thenascarhotspot and Raphael too on all of his Social Media’s! Don’t forget to check the podcast out on Spotify, YouTube and Apple Podcasts! Hope you enjoy episode 20!

Welcome episode, nineteen of Ganaskahot spot podcast, I'm Hortroy Don by Chris Katen and Nick and this week itwas sprecial guest driver of the twenty four Sherfele soverado Rafal lasard RoDam Owgood for good good. How are youdwe're good, I'm good too, so we're going to have a lot ofquestions Ono. Lo Brandim, good amount of questions forRofail here and he's going to tell us a lot about himself. So is first I'm good UEVER WHATDER! We want to goino yeah, Chris S, all right! So! Well, sorry, I can't do camera, I'm all laidup because I got seartery last week. So first question I have is what was thebig factor growing up that got you into auto racing? Was it watching Nascar oranother sport of some kind? I was say what got me. Intoh racing ismostly my dad, my family, my dad was racing just for fun. He raises all life. Actually everysummer will go out to the race track and watch people. Race Watch him race, my uncle Yustoday. So it's a familything, my dad owned a trucking company and we always I was always around thebig trucks driving with my dad SOE driving thoseat nine years old in the yard by myself. So it just S I was part of o part ofwho I was driving whatever I could put my handson like snowmobile for Willor cars, whatever I could that that would go fast, yeah! That's awesome, yeah! That's athat's a great thing that you mentioned somemobeals and you knowother smaller arphroting vehicles like that. So then another one I wanted to ask was seen that you're from a small town in in Cano. What message does it sendto kids out in those small towns, indrural areas, showing that someone on young, like yourself, can get up to thebigger rinks of autoracing? These days I mean you just gotta. Believe Yourself,I mean if you believe in it I feel like y. u you can achieve it. You just gottapush for Yo ard, surround yourself by good people, and you know racing is a expensive sport, so you gotto have the partners and the people around you that are waiting to help youmove up to theol rank. I'm lucky enoug that the last few years I've had somegood people around me like cannect and Group of investor that ive believe inme. Since a beginning, my parents done a lot for me, so it's always been really cold, coming, especiallybeing one of the only French Canadian from Quebac that is in the NASCAR rightnow. So it's cool and it's diferent, that's forsure never haven't, grew up like the people I rase against, like arrisonburden. They all grew up here and they always been in a racing family. TheirDad's been driving in NASCAR forever same thing with tug giand. So it's alittle bit different coming from a quobic actually coming from Quebec,where T e, the most popular sport is usually hockey yeah, we got. We got nickancad in TherWook from Canada and I'm from Michigan. So we definitely understand the hackeyfirst mentality of sports. Up here so I'll say my last one and then toreyears actually is really good for what do you mentione about parrison and Goinin terms of the younger guys?...

Do you have any like friends on trackthat, like you trust a lot to like race, you clean and race, you with respectpretty much all the time whenever you're with them? I mean Ey, it's artelic because we'reall going for it as e as we can, and I woul say my teammate, obviously y shalt and create this is achampion and he's actually a really good guy he's one of those guy. That is alwayswide open. So I'm not sure if he, if I'm in his ways,probably gonna move me. If you ask you, but that's Athat Ightei'll do the same.You know you always Sai. You don't want to rang nobody, but if you got to makeyour way up through there and you got to move someone, it's part of racing atit like rubbing is racing. So there's always people that you trust morebecause you know they have experience and the they have your respect. But Iwould say mostly like teammates: You always don't want to hurt your teammatether anyway, you anywhere you go. You always want to make sure you, don't youdon't destroy your teammates day, but it happens again happens and I wouldsay, you'R as a driver. The first thing you want to do is win and be fasterthan the guy in front of you and pass a guy in front of you. So sometime it canget eat it up, but it's part of raising yeah. So I have another question: Isthere like a big difference in like maybe like being entrack or like DumviErment, on track from Racing Canada, the racing in America? Yes, and though I would say it's pretty much the same thing I think, as in Canada, the people that are in thestand, watching their racing fans and they love racing and in the America, isthe same thing in the US is thet people ow are there its because they love thesport, so they I woal Sayi. It's usually the same thing, but obviouslyracing is bigger down in the United State than it is in Canada and there's more people in Heui UnitedStates. So I would say it's a it's once you see it and you know what how big itis in the United State. It's it's pretty cool to to see. I ecause.Sometimes you Tan G. I thought growing up. That racing was really big in Cada.But when I came down here, I realized that at all thee there's something elsedown there. It's a Lout, F fun. I mean you especially in North Carolina whereI'm living now in Morrisville. It's all about racing here. So yeah, it's prettycool, that's really cool. We all know the two thousand and twentyone season is insane for both truck expinity and cup, so wee, which race doyou have circles as a race that you think is going to be a threat that youthink you can win? OLFULLY Y? All of them. I mean it's. It's always you always want to be oufront every race there I was saying mostly the the newrace track were going out. I think a lot of it puts everyone on the samesaint spots: everyone everybody is equal because it's Sollem nuth foreverybody, so I mean that's always where I want to shine, and I think Ican. I can do really good, because even the guys that have tind of experience,some of them Ha e, never been to those places. So it's always those playesthat I would like to be really good at. But mostly, if I look at Shorttrack, I loveBristol Brestoris always been one of my...

...favorite. Martinsville was wasn't myfarite at all, but last year I almost won the thing, so it became one of my kind of Farit place, not Farid, but oneof the plays that I like- and I think I'm going to enjoy this year road course. Debt on a road course wasone of the one that I circlein my calendar, but it didn't drow as plan atthe end of the race. Obviously, but we show that outof speen that's important walkings ten is going to be, I thinkawesome. Cota cice of America is going to be aplace where it should be very fast and a very tricky place beside that. The doat the dirt is goingto be pretty awesome. I'm excited for that because nobody knows what Thoexpect, especially at Bristol there's a lot of places that I thinkwe're going to perform. Well, we obviously want to perform welleverywhere. Darnington was my first time last year there and I felt, like Ilearned a lot and ad good speed and going back there. I think we should beeven faster with GMS, so that should be exciting nick. Do you want me to say the dirtquestion? Are you going to do that? One? You can go ahead. Okay, you can do sowith the adition of bursulder and Knoxville to the schedule and theremoval of eldor. What are your opinions on that, and do you think youcan win that I mean I don't have that muchexperience on birt GM as gon at some lap at what was the name of the place, notofadot track in the North Carolina. They made us run someeit's kind of the UNP modify, but with crate engine, so it's slower, but itgot us some good sead time. That was a lot of fun, so I'm not sure what to expect going there,but I'm sure maybe driving n the snow. My whole life. It might help me forthat third TIRT raise, but we're just going to go out there with no expectation and try to do ourbasts and I'm sure my team made sholden creed, its Goin to be really reallygood. He's got some experience with dolls, trophy trucks and all that stuffhe's got a micro sprint that he guns on dird. So it should be a wane to watch,that's for sure and want to learn from, but I'll just do my best and I'm surewe'll be able to be off fromt at some point. Obviously, before we're talkingabout being from Cobecbin from Canada, you don't see many cadins and mask. Ijust wanted to know what it's like being able to represent a whole countrylike that all right, it's been very cool. I mean I try to do my best representagay aswell as possible, but I also don't want to be known as the Canadian. I want tobe known as a a good racecard driver and one that can compete for widnsdayevery weekend. It's just that's my goal, but it's also. It's been a kind of ARDfor us because of the money exchange. It's been at. It's a ginesin money,it's not worth as much right now as United States. So it's been. It's beentough for my partners and all the people that help me in my career, but I'm glad I can represent Gada as wellas I can, and just hopefully we can want te bring a championship backtogether. Also, I was wondering just about theswitch from Toyota do chevrole its obviously switch team witchmanufactureres. How smooth has that transition been so far? It's been done.I mean I've been really excited. GMS been really great to me. So far,they're like a big family, I feel like the Chevy soverothe lastyear was were really good. They they're...

...on a good momentum, and this year the first two races we had thi speed torun a front. We had Tho speed to win. I just came up short sometime, got caughtup at THETOA SUPERSPI way in Iraq and then the rold course. Someone spin out thespun out and hit me in the left, Rit and then it cut my left retire twice and then it hured us, but with thespeed we showed during tha, the first two state stage of each race wereSevenh in the championship. So it's really good and it's been the mostfunit and the most benefits for me has been to work with Josh Weis in the driver. Aga belolmentprogram with drivers like shelden and everybody in the the GMS Program areall working with John Weis and the cup driver that work with him and he's beena huge elpe working on my driving and I'm getting used to new stuff spending.A lot of time on the sane going to carting every week, that's been a hugeelpan. I'm just so really excited to be part of that, and seeing some good h, opefully, we can do even better andbetter, as the season goes on Yeahso. My last one that I have at themoment. I don't know if anyone else will have- and you have towards it'ssimilar to makes- and you mentioned it about being with GMS this year. What's your biggest takeaway from switchingfrom KBM to GMS I mean KBM was one of the is one of the TOKteam in the truck series. GMS is the same way: they all theyre, both reallygreat team and they all build their own Chesse. They build their own trucks.Gmms is actually a little bit bigger than the KIDBM. If you look at it andon Wor Aus, they got five trucks full time, one archocar and they Hav the programwith Dra the driver edge of EEPMENT. That's been a huge Olt, but like lastyear everything was new. For me. I didn't have a lot of experience to myfirst Mile N, a half first suferst pedaway race were all last year andthere was a lot of new, no practice, no parfine, so KBM and can bushhas done alot. A good thing for me and the past to Yodahas been a huge ELP in my career,but this er we just needed the a change just needed to go, try tosomething different and see a oil, Wedo and GN. That's so far has been a agreat elp and really get a great opportunity for meand I'm going to make the most out of it. I'm going to try to make the mostOllivant, but so far I like both places. KBM WAS KONof I've, been there in superly model inTruck Series Sto. I knew everybody in the shop and there was a it was a. Theywere all friends for me, and family and Noll switch the GMS. Everything is new,but I still seen those guys before and talked to them my cruichief Chan waters.I knew thet new im a little bit from seeing him at the track, but now thatI'm working with in at everything is new, but it's been a it's been reallygood and I think the adaptation's been the quick which is good. Oh yeah, that's awesome, yeah yeah, yousee a lot of times. Your guys will struggle or Maybi not progress as wellwith changing teams, especially in changing manufactures to, butdefinitely off to good start. So far this season with a you, definitely hadsome showing runs, unfortunately, not quite exactly what you wanted, but hey,there's, looking good out there for sure. Thanks thanks well keep onworking, I mean we showed the that we...

...had speed. We just need to fill itfinish it off, yeah, anyway, D, anything we're just talkingabout the lack of practice and qualifying this year. I just wanted toknow if you were a fan of that or kind of give your thoughts on it, because Iknow it really depends on who you ask whether they're, whether they like itor not. I mean. Last year we spend old year Wen Po, almost like twenty one,racis out of twenty two twenty three with no practice and qualifie. I'm sureI last year I needed those practice plap anol quaifir. It would have helpedme that's for sure, but this year I mean I would have liked to run more practiceand more qualify. But it's part of it. I mean Nascar atleast were racing, that's th. The goal is to race, and if we we can practice,but we can, we can raise oulltake it but practice and qualifie what havebeen. He, I think, is always better, especially like me being sevent in the championship, but Iactually finished twenty third and Twenty Six and and twenty six lastweekend, which is going no put me in, like fifteen, play starting spot, Ithink, to the starting spot. I think we gotenough speed to start in the tough Fitat we're going to have enough speechtoin the top five ig week, but because of Iraq or something that we can beforeit put us way back there. So that's a that's. What kind of is not cool whenhe qualify, but we get just got to deal with it and it's same thing foreverybody, yeah ouven know of really good this year. Ist want to say that I always Av to day Dutona when you bring the ovil coupleowe still, and I was I was a bi big fan watching you ut front. It was reallycool and my question is: was there ever adriver, growng influenced Dou te most to become adriver? I would say at first it was my dad ahundred percent, but once I started watching more andmore NASCAR, I was always there Jeff, Gordon, the twenty four it was always.I was a big fan of him. He was always super fast fascinanything jumps in soit's been. He he started in the old generation cars and every every timethere was a new generation. You see some guys that can adapt to it and somethat that are like that are having trouble adapting to it and Jeff. Gordonwas always out front, even if it was a new generation and at the end of hiscareeer, was still winning. So that's a that's a guy that I think it wasdefiniely one of the best. I was saying no, that es retirednd. I was a big fan of I'm still a big Fedof Cabush con Larson Com, Bushes, just that I've worked with him and I've seenwhat he does and what he knows about the race cars and it's crazy. Conarsonis just hses amazing me I mean in Joms onanything Ho can raise and wins an anything you look on. Thirty is thirdraceing, a super late. You want by fifteen. Second, IT'S CRAZY YEAH! You mentioned that your Jeff Worin. Of course. How does itfeel like driving twenty four, of course, the truck use, but like you'redriving like such, like an ICOIC number Tyeah, it's been really cool, I meanwhen I was looking at the number I might have. I was old paying for to twenty four andI was really happy and excited when I saw that because being a Jeff Gorden Fan that twentyfour is a pretty iconic number in the...

ASCORSOL. I hope I can represent itwell in the truck series Ohyeah for sure I know I just thought of one: Do youguys have any other ones at the moment, I don't have anyriy an go ahead, yeahall right. So if you're, if you were a kick out ofthe winstay, you do have when your career from where you first started.All the way up to now does tell a bega to stand out or is another one. Far andabove the bigger one I mean Daa, Dago stends out. That's forsure it was Realy Special Toin, a truckseries race and it kind of prove myself that I belong in the series. I still think I got a lot to prove, butanother wind that actually was really cool was my first wind at in the UnitedState and pro model in this during the speed week in Florida in two thousandand sixteen I was fourteen years old, it was my first win. I was with Daviddoing racing at the time that was really special. Now I couldn'tspeak English sow, my inte was terrible, but at least I want the race as the most important part. You justgot to finish. First, if soot, you just want to tell us anycrazy stories or stuff like that. That you've got. I think, we're all out ofquestions. I mean that we can think of right. Now I got funny one bout, nesmurder, the speed weeks when I was fourteen atrating with David, je racingand then the second night. We got I a big reck, this tror the car and thenthe the guy at the race track. That wastowing. My car comes at me and ask me: where is your fits tall at and Ithought you he was asking me where you from so I said Quebec and and Yo lookedat me. Likewhat andmy crew, Mipe crechief was behind thet me and youstarted laughing and hit was like man, you better start driving. Now that's great as Awesomeyeah EAIA. He couple storye. I thought I was saying awesome. Myfirst in ter you, I thought I was saying my team was awesome. My car wasawesome, but I was saying my team was handsome. My car was handsome, that'sall I said so that is great yeahlovof people like making Jone and still makes jokeabout that, like Oh man, you're, so andsome like come onyou're, never goingto be able to live that one day, yeah at's gonna stick for Hil, it was prettyfunny mean. I have no idea what IAS Sayng, but at Leasti tried yeah, t you're, trying to say thatlething ban it couldhaveeenwoyeah. I could think of a couple of differentwords. Instead of Fan, Som Wen you're, trying to say awesome, Yeah Yeah is sayI think thatwill make. It seems like I was saying thing. Ba could nt happen.Just O be careful, yeah see the fonteen year old can belike. Why is he saying that on TV yeah? No now I know I gtye your English. YourEnglish, I onlhis is perfectly good, actually yeah, I'm still trying to get better, so got stot to learn B.

When I talk about racing, I'm good. IfI talk about anything else, osounds like toy talk about anything else hat he doesn'tknow. What's going on at all it', I can't even do basic English Yeahi'm the same one fret I'Mnoi'm, notthat good, a my French classes in school, not my my best, I'm I can tellyou that yeah, I am you guys, have anything else for him. Ijust want to say one thing that stouck out to be was. I don't want to be knownas the Cadadian I want to be known as a champion. Orthat was that was actuallythat O we gota title you shoul. We got a Shio TAT in the interview use at yeahnext time. You wait. You gotto us that Inyeah, that's a realy good one. Imeanit's it's atually. It's true that that's what I want. I mean I wanttoonly known as there, the only Canadian out there. I love. You knowthat one of the best Oul there, but I mean it- would be awesome to bethe first an agent to win a championship in the in the truck series.That's a hundred percent sure, but wel work on it. Maybe this year, yeahyeah far so far, pretty good Yeahye, really Odthi season started off andsang. You don't have the finishes to show up, but everyone knows you'realways contending for the win. Both races, you were yeah yeah, it was. Wehad Tis peand. I feel Li E. I feel really good because I think we got waymore speen than I had last year, which is really good. So I got some stuff to learn,especially on mile and a half like the next one vegas, but it's still different than short tracksor anything. We do so well we'll see, hopefully yeah. We got a good trucksand we can run of yeah. Just guys survive the carnage ofthe trick es because you guys get wild, sometimes no matter what check Yoyeah,why very wide Bolan a a and you guys wal still find each other yeah an this. This weekend I neededgreen flag lap to come back to the fiell and oh read is Cautionu. It was hard to watch. Nogo Li listenyeah, it was. It was hard to be in the trucksDi Oxan, eafor Sur so like. How was it racing?The rain like? Are you used to it? It was. It was my first bymember racingwit, the rain. I was here first time you were actuallyYouryoure a wheelman out there yeah we well. When we won the second stage. Itwas still pretty wet in the infield like really wet, but it was dry elt inthe banking, but it's just it was. It was crazy. I mean there was. I could have done a better job, but Iwanted to play it safe and and keep the truck on the race track. ECAUSE. If youget ou the racetrack, you see so many cars get stuck or get this Clitteri ripoff, so it just it just got Ta had to be careful and there was definitelymore grip with the rain tire an I expected it to be, especially on theirbreaking but like on exit and middle of the corner you're on ice. It was italmost ereminded me of driving the snow. I, U said Oyour itjust it was no grip at all. Yeah. I know German in the snow is likethat's, never any fun. Yeah Yeif! You got good good fires,it's not bad all right, big trucks, something like that. Full will drive.But if you're in a a small car or only rar world drive, it's that's thenoise. Can I strikyeah Yeah I've almost...

...haid that happened a couple times: Tiswhin it yeah. It's always it's always achallenge. I always tickit out a challenge driving the snow. That's whatI grew up doing and it was. I love it. I love it. It's a child! Youjust keep it straight and keep your speed up. Don't you don't want to gothrough fast over you, don't dont noo yeah, I mean a Ria Gat a ire. I read a re Ar re fully out now,where Wemater AK that shout out your social medias and thisand that where people can find you yeah be awesome. People can find me on Rafelta stare on Facebook, Instagram, twitter, Rafel, isor Racingcom you can. If they want to. We got somenew march that just came out. People can of order on my website. So that's rerlly cool. I knowpeople were asking if we had any MERCH available and pshirts and stuff, but now we got some so that was pretty exciting to have, but Iknow there's AO people that have bought some so far. Soffor we can thesell some more and they get some new stuff. Recent for sure afto get some stuff oneyeah. Ilave to get som the stuff yeah, okay, GMS. Looking really good right now. CanI will wear that most port NSO, yeah I'll, think I'm selty with Youif theborder opens I'll, definitely go to most port, that's for sure yeah. I hopeso. I op we go to last part. Last year we didn't get to Goer Eti thithat waspretty sad. I was looking for I o going. I Gessa, I mean. Obviously it's goodracing. Almost every year, hometrack yeah, it's a asolutes place, my firsten there was pretty good, but that track is it's weird, there's some weirdcorners. That's for sure you can't even see where you're doing yeah on thatdown the downhill, yeah Ino, the wor. That looks hard. It's a cool place. Imean. Hopefully I think it's the last road course for during this year, so weshould have experience from Wakinstan and so good ot America for sure Litas definitely awesome having you honitose definitely had somegood last from some of these tins. Some of the SA told us yeah. It's awesome. Thank you O, somuch for like Jonoyeahthank Youyou guys and I gotta go to some stuff. But thanksfor having me on your show yeah. Thank you for yea. Good luck, t a Checke, Agon Vegas a definitelygoing to break through soon O. I see it coming. Yeah Uil work on it yeah all right. He Guys They D. Thank you. Thank you, O Sweet Wan to be known as he Canadian. I wantto be known as the champion. Oh that's. Are we a doing the just like weekend,Rdeeah doing what Wei was like, noly, etirty minutes or somethin likeThatamtesthis, is going to be a hard episode of be yeah, the craziness, anthe Taton a road course, and on top of Lisar that was insane dude. That was agreat oving him on. That was a lot of fun to be able to that was jus yeahtalk with them. He was definitely I'm happy that he was as open that he as hewas like that was Great II weekend. So what was your thoughts in the weekend?I thought it was reall deotic. I thought it was really good in case insaying this weekend is going to keep...

...the dats on Ta Road Course on theschedules just because of the weekend, Odad Yeah Bob Asosto this weekend, Haasa road porator tha, was one of the best weekends in Mascar that we've had in awhile, overall, by far no bias a little BIA pic a little to nexthe seies, even Tooto winthetruck race yeah it it's literally the longesttruck race in history of the truck series. So that pretty much says it andit was raining pretty much all race and it made it really fun. In the beginning,when wlast of the race Jue's a lot of pesses for the lead, youknow we had Gad Nema check, he took the lead earlyand then creed took the lead and stuff like that. Realy one. Oh so NEMA chock one stageone, and it was pretty like s pretty quiet, stagin one. I guess.Besides the Rainlan caution, wiseit was pretty quiet and then lisard led the lapse last fivelaps in stage to and new one stage to. Sothat's his second stage to me. The season, so that's that's, really cool,he's doing really well yeahwe. Just talk, Abot Diffeenti,wonder WHA. I wanwa thinks about it. o now he just told us Soso lefttwenty,four NEMA check has mechanic is or something I forget. What happenedexactly rant out of gas? Oh gohead NEX AR issues I thought they said he ranout agan our yeahokay yeah, so there's a quastion because he was stoppe antrack, but he got back going eventually and he kind of did everything hat herebounded really well, but yeah. What did he finish like heas? Third Thd Yeah? Third Yeah? So I love to race for Sir and then you know it was like it waslike kind of quiet for thet at Ryan, Shrex and WHO's, the for to see whocivar they got together, yeah, Tet's, coy mate and then on lap. Thirty eight was one of the bigger crashes betweenmoffit. I I fifty one, oh, that guy, like chase a Hase Ara, a Rod, cansmeyea. Oh, he did really good in the beginning, though, like he started likebid pack and he got into the top ten, so yeah I bought the race queeze. The race was good until, like the lastfew monts o those call Pa Yeah Yeah, it doesn't albut the track takes what liketwo three minutes to get around undercoution. That's just one lab it'sit's tedious, just to say that everlike, fifty five or somehing like that. Soit's almost it's quote it's closer to four minutes by the time: Theyre,actually around yeah, entonetime, yeah and then about forty three. We hada caut, Om, Athaner, Gray and Sam Mar and then lap forty six after one lap,we had a costom between Austin line self and Todd Gilwin, and then they gobuy another restart and then there's a caution for Jenifer, Jo Cam, beingstopped and track in the Nfield ter believe, and then we have our groeenchecker that finish the race and I think it was ateine Ben Rods, a childin creed,and I think I believe creed was leading actually and roads passed, Aon therestore around the time of the Restar, and that was the moving of race toomuch and rode te back back on the...

Daytona at Tetona, pretty much yeah cross came out the last laup forWHO's, the forty four that will and Jet Nolan Yeah Giv TisAles stop from the front stretch. So Tasi S, we mentiond how benrods waslike super close to winning, but NASCAR threw out the caution for whateverreason now was. The man was less than tattroklingt from the start finish andthey her the we thereth. I guess it was ridiculous. I mean it's fine because hestill ended up winning but like it still kind of sucks yeah. If you got tothrow the caution, you got to throw thecaution, but I feel like at that,like you guys have to lig slide. He was like so close and like how many Ha wealready gotten a couple couple restarts in overtime. At thatpoint, I feel like the Shis, like thers INS, was E. Third, there was three s.It worked out well that roads won anyway, because if he didn't therewould hve been a lot more controversy around the Nihtpole Yeah. You know, Iknow the bioful finishes. John adonnemy check foun ounce back to finishd ther,that's not bad todd, Gillelan forth, he was quite all nigh. We didn't. I don'tthink we heard much of him. Did we he kind of just mind. Ed was noodyquiet at Daytona to until he got caught up. He was. He was involved at one ofthe cautions, so he rebulled, so i Li Ayeah rily herps was actually, I thinkhe es was a for a tiny bit. was't you let on AAs Ikee is a friend Nmen likeUPFRONI me Lileadinga. He only Lik Oy les one laug Bu, Hey good forfoi craft,an six Derek Crost who was running like twenty of all race bounce back tofinish: Seven CAS Gralla, eighth, Timmy, hell nine. This should have boundedever CAS grall up yeah, the Mansin O on off trurk start for Wat. IOS was yeah.I was young. Yeah is y t EAN, tap Tena Rac, Hewas, almost top five, I think,is Touhou some other drivers, strt freezing,barely messes carson host o Ar Pretty Sur. He was involved in a reck. Wasn'the yeah, Habcase D was in erect o Ti Im, not yeah our boy Lesar. Twenty six. Heran top five, pretty much the whole rage until he got damage yeah well,yeah its plating. It wast really wasn't his Fal. There was a couple rek therewas whot. Was that a Zane Smith, woold reckout so Wi Spencer, Boyd, Jason, whites, Sam Mayor, I'm pretty sure, that's it.Yes, SIM Mayorreco! That one was kind of sad to see, but also w a I've, neverreallyesed. No, he didn't win orcase road course.Last year. No he wasn't o. He was eligible to run that I think,but I don't watch it bok out. I don't even remember him aacing in last year,but I my Recivsi wan't full time wasn't in the National Archisu. He wasn't fulltime because he's not even eighteen, yet stil Yeahso, south N Arkaast Year,I believe Oh yeah, yeah ecause. He was battling with the Gibbs AntererisYeahan Oo. Speaking of gibs, that's a perfect cycle in the xnvn. No, we havetol about Mon, even though it Stillo t Mayeah, wone, races left in the truck season.Already after Aawich Ban road sits on top, but JohnHuntan Nema check is barely behind him. Hese nine points behind them and theroads is won. Both races, that's surprising! Well, io do anything in theson macra host o Aris six,...

...let start seven cody, Urrac or boss orBarbara. I'm not surees fulltime anyway, grotheysay yeah ththe points, especially don't men the to as like, we had a ScampuBeedway, an a road course like t's to pretty on Johnny Soternn. I think that's pretty much. It coryowrote: U Go Fer Start Batteri's e hundred andeighty eight at theday Dotwe gotto talk about the Amon, Siti sintric glad earlyand then acoss came out for something and then Almon new Bo. It took the lead,fluid tright frewer, stairs to cautionefor that there is the flud ontrack and lap flive and Lagh or Welloa Om Small Costoh, yeah causermead in themiddle of thes, two cautions I remember and he was leading and then her a couchcame out with like three Togo or something like that in a stage. So Ithink it was literally the one lat shoot out on like two Epson orsomething like that, and of course, Mike weall knew sagainst the roadoverners, so Sikeris sindrikers right on Ominos backpunkerand he had te run coming out of the front. Hegane and SINTI. Just wellAmaninger Brock Dem, try to block them, but likeonce he saw that cedric was inside and Yehad good enough run. I feel like therwere it was too late and they pretty much hooked because, like if you lookat Thethe Front vew of the Derack, you sawthe Omaningers. We always all the way turned to the right to like get off ICand drink, but hiy were hookd, so Owen Aar turns into the grass and get splitter damage and engine all thatthis day was over pretty much. They Trie, but like Ol me Barin, the minimumseed, her s in that acciment to yeah HEU tried to avoid it and he justshilled this car onthe grass, because I know going to do- is that other nailingomindinr in the door or going through the grass. So I mean er could follo anfor wone on the high sin, lredy on the bottom hes like yeah and then Sitrour guy damage to theright front, but they cut her all off and you was Pretmuto modified thatactually did a lot for the car. It cooled the breaks extremely quicklybecause the whole like thing of the car the whole like frontbumper of the car, the one side was open, so it was like an easy, Bridcooling. I think that was intentional, think sandric cheated there, okay, anyway. No, a real reason thatworked out for him, because the long run, like you said the the right frombrank right front, freak, good English crirse would a be able to stay cool a lot longer andsame with thetirer. So when guys ere using up ther tires, that's when sawhim absolutely marched through the field and the second stage to get all the way up towhat prety Goet to seventh or six or something like that. Yeah around that.But G for age two starts ten. Twenty fivelap run sace to as all AL tie gifts. That's when gibbs pulled ahead by Pecin,eou yeah he passed on Buren. It was a little bit of battle on them. I justpassed I and ran away with it and when he took the load, I'm like. Oh that's,cool he's like he's leaving his debt. You know it's not going Ta last aloneButli! That's me bad esnot, gonna Bas, that Lon yeah. You probably honestly said that Iwouldn't be surprised, sit it my head, I well! This is cool, but like there's,no ease money in his debute and Wewul...

...get the forty eight stopped in termfive. I was lap thirty nine. I was with what like sex to go. That wastiswith close to go Tan to go twenty to go. No, not twunny! I don't know, Idon't know the exactthat's when CDI srted gaping givs, because the tieswere starting to Weir out yeah and then there was there'd, be another cautionfor debris and then on lap. Fifty four there would be a bigger AC, the sixtyone who is that's thats Steven Lil, I don't know a Ik venle like yeah ffty, two, a ninety two, the seventeen,the two swalld pretty much back markers miht, no Mi Nyder with no. I forgot eWa on the restart and it was prettymuch like everyone checked up and there's alot of car spinning and a couple guys WAM and join in Forfun Takee to thegrass h tie. GIBS would run away with it. Man An his first career start inthe exfinity series gets his win. How old is he he's? Not Old? I don't ighbarely yeah yeah, that's Realy Aty of the topThreeh like thereas, also yeah yeah, there's also a reck on the restartBeteen Palluto Allgiyr graging coliyes. I think JSiperno. I finished for I fr Lostisin that crash, but it was some big names.There were yeah Grat semal starts the race three laps down manager to finallyget in the top Tine with like three to go and then just gets descroyed Yo got.Let's see this so close. It was is di. My look on like when he got rigk downlike we were just ment to finish like three through I wear I mean hes, hekind of JINKSD himself with his tweet Al earlier in the day yeah. I can'twait to be top ten exiting turn one on Lappy, one yeah. It's like all right,sethe entire race. Until the scheduled last lap to get there and then overtimehe gets killed. Yeah Tie Gabs wins, so that's cool hesfirst time in any of the three national series. So I think we got to watch outFROR M. I think a lot of people wrote them off as GRANDPA's money and he'snot going to do anything with this and he's just Gon Na be another Gib scar,that's going to get agantee Drie! Well I mean he might deserve something. NowI mean he bet Austin sendric on a road corce yeah. No one can do that other thanalmondinger. That's THAT'S INSANE YEAH! That was true. I mean, I think, alot of people yeah, like you, said Rote em off just because its lo same gives,but I think they also need to realize he raised what have the full arcusseason hat. Oh No. He missed yeah, whatever big tracks last year in Archa,because he wasn't eighteen, an he wone. Six races so ha up like fourth ai Om the pointsbecause he just went out there and because it's dominated yeah, itsdefinitely des is still early but like if ye could repeat what he did or evencome close to it. I could see him being an expenity as son as next year. O. would me I O Tey, don't do that? Ifeel like they be Gbut yeah, ecould they'd me rushing in, but I feellike it's the most likely option that he goes to expinity full time. If hedoes still, you could also give them a few years before you move them up likeit doesn't have to be O, I so to yeah. This is because I actually saw this sppose tobe a one off thing, but Isaw I think, pocker sten the easin to do ten races ses, but I saw that I mean they do Havo,really comvel Unde, fify fors. We all know hell, do Beno. He won't do betterthan tidilling in the rest of the...

...season. After he's already done betterthan tied an yeah, he didn't reck himself, Austin Andrix Secton, that's prettyexpected Daniel Hammericksburd. He was quiet all day yeah he was. He wasquietly really good. I mean I as wear Rit, we didn't even Te. You wasfighting for a lid at some point without Gibson centric and then YeahLik. He let give us by and they pulled away, Wont Ter Bat Ye. Like he's Goin,to have a quiet year. I feel like people are going to underrate Hamir,because we saw what you did in the RCR. I think he can, I think ill win, maybeone or two races yeah. I feel like better een, a gids car I feel like webarely got to see Hamerick last year, especially on the road courses. Titseemed like every single racee did. He was always having mechanical issues orgone the accident that wasn't his fault and stuff like that so happy to sit inthe world because last see was tough. Yes is good. He's got allowed to provethis year. I feel like if he can't, if you can make minimum round of a he's, he probably won't be looking toogood. Yeah he's not as he can't make the round of it a I don't think he'llbe yeah. He's old he's like a veteran, practically he's clar. No, he has nowins. yeahhe's like Riley herbs, O wait. Nolike Hes Nocross, TA, Brandon Jones. Fourth Burton Jab Burton Fifth Harrisonburden, six Mgal Peluno, seven, that's not! I forme! That's o surprise I'mecourse: Guy in a Juir motir ports cal is saying yeah, but still it's firstRacan. What eight years as like hat? What was it? Two thousand and thirteentwenty ti s btween bucks at was intrus to I don't know about. Nationwide was't oa year he got like Misil into the inside wall, Daytona Gotso, hes, always kind of Funy, though Branon Brownae Justin Haley Ninte re,like he ran top three an most of the race. Did he non. He was quietly in thetough time. People definitely didn't respect him being inthe Tup ten like Jaby drivers, but everyone olse, Jimmy Clemens, tentother notable finishes, Myat Schneyder Thirteen, and then there was not much after that. Pretty yourtypical exfinity race, same driversfinish top ten Lobey, twentysecond, with a man just an out R. Twenty six right, you guy up in twy, seven yeah,Jacker, Nati, decker, tattilly, decodicongressialy decer, making itwonful actually made a wondeful ap of no incident. AIS, Er Votoley HersFinish Second Last, Oh, my God. What do Youn snt, Ehiseh, O, I think he's GonNa. Do I think, he's going to make the championship wethers my bull prediction:Cindicly, the point n o surprise Harrison burden, Hammer brand, Maran,Lanch, Nider, je burden, clements gibbs ti gibs is ait e's, not full yea, thesame tats, not even Wa mention I mean fthe, a justns with Jusi full time. Guy,okay, he Justin Haley an night is Brana. Jones, tenth is Kyl, Wetherman Elevenhis Joe GROFP, Junor and twelve is Jesse littleum, so Rin we wanted a cup seriesnow I already started talking about. I think the co I think the cupss gracewas it was decent. Not Great was good but NNOT that red, I think it's Gonto Iwas. It was Alegoo, didn't win so life's good and Eter di Tase. I'm kindof glad, though, that we didn't get...

...chase tha. I don't know we didn't get a boring.Finish sow like Syearsi, think ID Natar manufacturecaution, but we can talkabout that get there, because I have some words to say about that, but wehad to wor technal. It is in the road if Therei they feellike they need to throw rang caution, which I mean some some part of like theInnfield was getting wet, but the l iwoul feel it a track was in gettingwent, so I can I kind of see why they did it, but I don't think there wasenough friend where would really harm anyone, and on top of that, no one evenpitted for rain tire. So yeah exactly B for s far, I no fo themjuast. Just lelechris US go goon yougo on my rand. I can go on my ran Ou. Yes,let's go all right. Manufacture cautions, especially on road courses.Do not need to be a thing as well as stages stage. Cautions and stages onroad courses are the most dumb thing that has ever happened in the sport wha.You ruin everything about road course racing when you throw a caution likeexpecially one that doesn't need to be there Catan. I know you're hating, imthe WAII he oring racist, O. I think he's Actalyi, especially I don't knowthink if they want to do stay, rasing right. They shouldt on the CA, theyssLe Them Keep Rasing. I think I would be onspere NTHEIT's like so they don't goall so like they race hard for end of a caution but like they don't like wrackthem selves and like have some awareness, because y knowthey're going to keep going after it like Eso example of Beyeah Ra in the inthe s in the if Youe led the halfway Ponta Rec, yourlike ten Grand Soi could Christa, like that yoly the Hav TN, the race KDARS, always like race, really hardand wancs the hit. The halfway point, theyre, leading and then kind of likeback off and go tu conservative. I think that's what she did, the just. He just don't need stages andPhantom cautions, especially on road courses, the most pointless thing andruins for momentum of road course racing in the sport anyways, okay, I'mdooad! Now, let's get up so stage. Jone would end. It was pretty uneventufalther as to debri cautions. There was one on three one on thirteen chasealliot. We all expected nogon wild you wil ro, win stage, one than ten laps. After Stage one startedor eight her stage, two started alase. There was a wreck with Ryan Blany,Brosh Hatain. In turn, six, that's the one! That's where Blanny Punted ChasStaine into the WAW right e. He even hit him. I weao Goy given hit him. Ithink Tha Anjes, Taid, clearing, himsof and didn't work out just got loose on the apron,overcorrect anymore, t char, I wouldn't have mentioned Wan, but they justhaveen on here and then that would just that would be. The final RESTARV stageto on stage to winter was Hamlin Im Hamlen weren't those the same two drivers, Rwonn stage to stage stages. Last year, yeah, okay, I was greaty expected Te. Different Winteren we' got withwhat. How long was this rrous? Was this rike? Seventy laps, yeah eeryone tewent the schedule Di yeah okay, so there was twenty. There was thirteen togo. They would throw the caution for rain Chris Already ranted about that.No drivers would come down Pat Road and...

...take graintire. So that's also good toknow so then there would be another reshart andthen therewo'LD be another caution. There'st three, no literally two lapslater one lack later. It would be the number eight of Tyler readit and o yeahhear engulfed in Flaya, I'm actually Suppas Fogotabutyeah and, like twentysecond earlier wi joy, forced to chase off the check. Therewould be the seven which is o Lo Torios Talijoy G, oh yeah. That was that'swhere the reck came. That's why the caust came up Foro that and then therewas another wreck with Eliott where it was she did. Ellio did just throw himinto the tires pushing he was trying to. He was trying to be overly aggressive,which I don't blame them for being aggressive, but he was being overlyaggressive, rhes just racing stupidly. Aggressive. You know, Li da was aboutto say toquietly good all day. That was the a Tu because he just died oldteamafor, Secondwa hilarious. I saw I saw he an I'm just like what is hegonna do here and he just sends Er rain doesn't even make contact with Laganagoes right, past im right into the wall, yeah and then Kurt went through thegrass. I forgot about that too, and Hen thos earler, this kind of strew O orI'm not saying Kurt- would have caught legodaobut. I kind of screwed him upbecause credit checkup and Everyon Noi know my God. I like pulled away tothiss still finish like for, but I think bolls car was better anyway. YeahCom into the white plag EGANA was leading. We got. I have like a twothree second lead, no Otit, Theeanda, half and then with with threeto go and then Tua gos down to like two point two and then by with the Eah, itwas like. The second bel made a move. He got to Theta E. No, I kept trying toforce them into the wall. Bou God o not Ily, not really. I don't now Badon'tblame hm either riin full like try to send them in yeah, not saying re, I'MNOthing we're trying to put them into the wall mean you just sai that Isaid he astrng Tru on the track. No, he just said he was ting to Pu whos Gonaa, the WaarWokay, then batvaters outside tween Cae n train today, WenarounemchristopherBal. First, career win: Yeah, no coestly Cadan's way toooverconfident with his Christopher all championship, poition yeah, hes kind ofWinnin. I'M ICAn't wait until he chokes because he ik tris Yo herd in one race.I wouldefrom YEA changs, if, like you're a head by a lot or you like abig favorite yeah, its Christe Bal Wooldwiwitha, one of his his probablyworst scheme of the sceme goverment reveal legoo. Second Third Handon.Fourth cur. After probably the most eventful day in the GRORD Yeahanywa, hewas red, definitely had the most eventfulronkurdat it itally wentbreadrerrago straight through the grass and knot get killed by the splitter, gofor twenty seven, all the way by strategy up TA, Tha top five and thenrack is wey. AD was further baor yeah you're, forgetting that correct one redof one point yeah, while they wer on the Bradyeah bread, spuns, yeah, bread,pun twice, but still like her head speed, and he like she wasback the front back to Bron. WOERASE fride was like backback back and thenlike ouse strategy by an on old times...

...and the end to get to the front and geta top ten op five Yeahcauso. He Finish Fish. We all no La Oway, O Mick YeahWhite Paus. Do you remember when Chris sent the thing to a group at aboutHarvad in the top tol gotto talk about Tha Harva? We don't Geti Isatlieting like the Cleai, then Uietes Raceyecould ever run. He litealy was Iton like e Wa. Everyone like thatiwasinvolvedin, like Epoy, nothing, it kind ofjust like ran by himself in the tileof time, is better than what he did laster andin the CLIMBI clash. That's why I wrote him tolhat Ar Michael McDowell or no agalmaning orseven good race for e Rase, pretty good. He was top five until Hes, speeding,ponty and yeah h. He was down in like thirty something Awa Michael mcdauell,the defending Daytona five hundred champion a started off a race, the worst way,possiblean O' Getting Nice. There is so much hyper in the pace. OPS. It waslike Mico. Makedow will start on a second and then just start. The Racetesus kills Tur is, is controller, isconnected Bo, I'm not like know. I think I haven'tseen Ha to about Mel, but I feel like if there are people saying like they'reso surprised. I don't know, I'm not. That surprised. He's always been goodon super speaking antes courses, so he's been decent on road courses yeah.Well, he I don't know this. Was it wasn't? wofers Ringer McDowell normallyruns road courses like Harvir ID this weekend for Yeus, forget he's there andthen guessn't, because he ha doneut. I can't hear anything: Okay, at's great,cris, wow, okay, yeahtsthere. We go okay, so point Christopher Bell and Michael McDowell,NSO ther, one to you have denny. Third, he leads actual points, but without thewin e OES he's not there, then you have Joey Harvick Eliott right and PresSevenh priesis in full time, areades doing parto, no Heis fulltime es bothIm. He just is sorv a charter. That's why he wasn't lik him. No, but Itheught they said theywere going back, oh shoot! That's right! They weren'tcompletely sure because of sponsorship. Yeah Ey he sevenn points right now. Ifeel like at this point. It would be wort but we'll see what they do: KurtBush eight Auston bill and ninth always tied with Brad formind. Actually, thencolcoster eleventh cylers and twelve Baba, thirteen trx fourteen and thensend Ho simmer joy, tid porsure, pretty interesting. You have aniandBush outside of the bubble right now, but I mean it's tot earlyes so early thatthe point doen't even matter that much yeah all right, I wan mecate. Now I thought this week was Miami this week?Is Miami speaking so we're going to Edso on now? How do we do it? Last week we did itAwertaing Chris verse, Mento. So no last week we did it worst a first so this week again we'll do it that way.So first will be troy, SI think dealing orOcur, because curtisolentum any Mani, Moni Mo itch a tiger ride. Soif it howrs let him go anyne game anymo Mine on e SAS on Pickte, very best, oneand Vura red white and blue. I choose you Kevin no and I Como Kirt Bush. Ipick her bishfore all right. So then itwould be cate. Next, I'mtaking that yeah. I don't think this is a no brainer. I think this is anobrainer. I mean he waner. You got a good line up wo. I got a good line upand I'm still acis...

...what can who we have ORV. I have no Nika said the highest finish between Imand I yeah is finish last weeks, yo an go yeah right. So then I'll go with newman yeah. I got Newman. I don't trust the otherJil. What Jones was sown so far. I guess I'll go to Benedetto. I meanI'm saving Kesloski for Vegas and swors is trash at all three. So I'll go toVENEDETTA INTERESTING ALL RIGHT! Well, that's fantasy! Yeah!We got to do predictions yoe. That last week, did we O yo? Remember that all right so we're just we just do cupgreat yeah yeah, all right! Let's go first I'll go first! Oh, I think myprediction is going to be the driver. I takean fantasy. I think Daddy Han willgo back back on Miami. I mean he won there last year, he's always get onMiomi. So I mean I don't think, there's a reason on to choose. Hem I' I'll go next. I've then KevinHarvirk wins. I think he gets off bold, I'm going to say WHA d. You have you had curt. No May I'm saying WHOHAVE MY MIND: o Ha Omy ohshe Sally is gonna s Crz, as getting Sohesois gotahe's gonna win predemptomm. Last year, ow e hisn'nhappy te Gronout. Well, I'm Goinna go with the guy. That's always said thathe holds back whenever they raiced at Miami because he was never in the finalfour and he's Goinna get his first win in the five Aher Kil Larson is Gong towin his first race at Hentrin Mo steroperaed he's not gonna Wai. I don'tthink so and e your just Sayi doN'ttin wait until you until he wins, and thenyou won't be talking at all. So do it one nast thank you to our FL Sart,taking his time out of his day to come on talk to US answer. All of ourquestions, he was really fun to talk to. Youdefinitely had a lot of personality. It was one heaven him Mon.It was good yeah. He was definitely that was absolutely Li Fu. If he's down,we can have them on again but yeah for sure yeah. That's like next season atwin after championship, yeah Rs Camppso Thatll do do it with episode. Don'tforet to follow me then ask for hot spot and chick US out. Spotify youtubethat apple podcast, stuff fatherwas subscribe like tie, comment or stufflike this, a review ts Sueso for good, give us some ssmt as where I waslooking into yeah and yeah. That would do it. EESE allright see, T.

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