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Episode · 1 year ago

Episode 21 He’s Back! (feat. Jesse Little)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We start this week’s episode having a Q&A with Xfinity Series driver, Jesse Little! Getting his takes on being a second generation driver in NASCAR. What it was like coming through the ranks and what some adversity and determination Little has had coming up to where he is now with BJ McLeod Motorsports. 

This week also features the return of Kyle Larson in full effect. The interesting takes of the Trucks, Xfinity and Cup Series. With much debate on certain drivers in different situations throughout the weekend and season so far. 

Be sure to follow us on @thenascarhotspot on instagram as well as Jesse Little’s social media outlets! Check us out also on Spotify, Apple and here on YouTube!

Welcome to the NASCAR hotspot podcast. I'm hers Troy Joe by Chris Kaden and Nick and was special guests. This week we have expanity driver. Just you little. What's up, guys, thanks for having me. They thanks coming on. Absolutely appreciate it. Your you you had the right time. I'm out here just chilling on the West Coast and joining our our time in between Vegas and Phoenix. So I'm glad to do it. What time is it over there? It's about a little after five. Hole. Okay, it's eight o'clock now. So, yeah, I love that. Yeah, what's Coast Times? Nice when you come from North Carolina, makes it a lot easier. Oh yeah, we're all we're all east coast time, so we definitely love to understand that time change real quick. A little bit more daylight, it seems like. Why they're must be a lot nicer too. Oh yeah, but then I'm up in Washington visits a family and so it's it's cold and snowy, but that's that's what we like. So I mean I'm getting a little last bit of a winner that I can before we head back to Charlotte and it's sixty five and in sunny all week. You have, for sure. For sure. So a lot of your career has been bill no growing up, kind of recent for your dad and your family and all. Would you say he's the biggest impact in your racing career so far to this date? Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. I like answering those because you know it's from the surface it would it would seem obvious, but you know, it's fun talking about it because there's a lot of behind the scenes advice that he gives me that kind of helps. It helps answer that question more. You know, from the time I first started racing, whether it was on the tracks, on the track stuff specific to driving or off the track, how you know how to approach a race or handle a race or talk to people, communicate with your crew chief, so on and so forth. He's always been very impactful and and he has a lot more experience I do in that, in that field, and so it's been nice to have them in my corner and I think he's definitely the guy that I've leaned on the most and gone to for almost, you know, just about any kind of concern or question I had regarding the sport, whether it was whether it had to do with on track or or off? Yeah, I was gonna that was another one. I heard you mention it quickly about insight and all that. Would you say that? Or does he still give you a lot of advice and all this and that, whether critiquing you're racing after a race, talking to him stuff like that? You know, he's he's very good and he's been very good at kind of giving myself the flexibility of, you know, having the freedom in the wherewithal of learning on my own. Are Conversations pretty much lie nowadays to, you know, discussing basically all the things off the race tracks. So, you know, there's very little instances where we'll talk about a restart or pit stop. Those are few and far between. A lot of the time our discussions and conversations are, you know what are about the dynamic of the team or talking to sponsors or talking to the owner, navigating through, you know, certain aspects of the exfinity series as far as being a midpack team and stuff like that. So that's kind of where the majority of our conversations are. Now. Let's see, does anyone else want to go get or yeah, okay, I'll bounce it off since you're talking about your dad and everything he's done your career and I'm wondering, since you've you've been to the track like pretty much your entire life of grown up around it, was there a driver besides your dad that you kind of looked up to and followed growing up? Yeah, absolutely, for me it was Tony Stewart. I I really enjoyed his, you know, I like to call it direction like. I enjoyed how he how he navigated his career on the track, off the track, with media, with people. You know, I think he's a very, very good example of a driver that is very respected and very loved by both competitors and fans and people in the media industry. I think that's a you know, a very few people are like that and I think he did it the right way as far as being a very strong competitor, being a very strong personality and then, you know, doing a good job with his you know, with the sponsors...

...and with is with this owners and and and performing well. And I enjoyed always that he was like kind of a full package, the total deal in my eyes. And you know, you wanted to watch him, you wanted to see what he would say after he blew a tire. He wanted to hear what he would talk about after he gotten a wreck. Like I always I always enjoyed how, you know, how I was drawn toward, drawn towards his Persona Dad. It's pretty I usually ask that whenever, in a chance like that, talk to a driver, I always ask that question because I'm always interested, like sometimes in a family ties with sometimes, like growing up, want to like root for like maybe a competitor, like someone else. They you look up to. That's pretty cool. Yeah, and for me, yeah, and for me, you know, real quick, like my dad, my old man, he retired in two thousand and three, and so I was I was sick, ex years old when he retired. So I really don't have any strong memories of him racing, you know, growing up at the racetrack. It was all after he was done racing and so like. That was kind of cool for me too, because, you know, that was when I was introduced to other drivers and started finding, you know, other personalities that I liked and was drawn towards. Yeah, so do you? You mentioned that you were of course really young when you retired, but do you have like a set memory from back then of like being at maybe like a certain race or whatever. I'm just being there Um for me, I remember. I remember like the playgrounds at Daytona and Bristol, the playgrounds that were in the motor home lot that we would play at. Those are Pretty Pretty Fun Memories. You know, I grew up a lot hanging around John Hunter and him and I would always mess around on the playgrounds and Mrro and those days. So those are kind of the Faint Memories. As far as like racing or watching my dad, I don't really have any. But the the behind the scenes, kind of the fun enjoyment of being a six year old kid was, you know, playing and hanging out with the friends, and that's what I remember. It's pretty that's pretty cool. Yeah, okay, I was going to ask your first Arco Win came at New Hampshire. Would you can into that one of your better tracks and terms of skill, or is there another track that you really do like? Yeah, that's a good question for me. You know, that was my first win. I would say that I'm a lot better at some other tracks than New Hampshire, the ones that come to the top of my mind or like Dover, Bristol I've always, for some reason, really found those to be kind of in my wheelhouse and and whether it's because our concrete or higher bank, I don't know. But even going back to the can in days and Arcad days, like, I remember racing, I remember having my best races there. I just you know, we always would have something happen or problem, a problem arise towards the end, but consistently from cane into truck and even now to exfinity, those two race tracks are kind of my my favorite and the ones that I get around the best. Yeah, yeah, I really do like those concrete miles, shorter tracks. Those are those are really good tracks. Yeah, for us, you know, it comes down to, I think as a drivers, like what, you know, what can you be aggressive but also take advantage of the most opportunities on? And for me it comes to those two tracks, like I'm able to hustle the car, I feel like more at those places than any other, and that's you know, that's a good feeling when when I see that race on the schedule. Yeah, Canaan, can you got anything else anyway? Oh, I was just going to ask you. How is Your Vegas weekend overall? Like was it. How was it for you and your team? Yeah, for us, you know, we started, we started towards the back. We knew immediately it was going to be a tract position race. We were running the first stage like we needed to. I think we had made ton of adjustments after homestead. We took the same car out to Vegas that we race at homestead. So he made a ton of adjustments after the home said race to hopefully get it better and without practice we were, you know, we were kind of taking a bet on it, taking a chance, and ended up being decent. We worked on it all day. We got off a little bit on tire strategy, but we ended up twenty six. So it's kind of like, you know, it's one of those days where it wasn't pretty by any means. It wasn't. It wasn't a good day. We didn't run well. We showed speed at times. We just, you...

...know, I think needed a clean up a couple mistakes and execute a little better when it comes to to strategy and communication. But then nice thing is those, those are easy fixes. Those are, you know, things that can be discussed in the competition meetings and fixed accordingly. So I'm excited to go to Phoenix. I think, you know, to finish off the west coast swing off of a decent finish at Vegas is as good. We're starting to kind of GEL together. You know, it's as crazy as it sounds, it's hard. The first two races of this year with it being a super speed away in a road course. You know, there's no there's no really direction that we get from those races because they are just survived, you know, they're just go out there, make laps and finish. And so when we got to home said that was kind of the first clear direction of, you know, here's where we are, here's how we you know, here's how the the race plays out for us, whether it's mistakes made or things that you know, we need to clean up. That's kind of the first clear indication of what you're going to see and so that was good to have that. You know, we saw where we were off, we saw where we needed to fix it, and then Vegas was a good direction. It showed us that we were going in the right direction. So now going to Phoenix's kind of like our third in a row where you know we're we're fixing what we need to and so I'm looking forward to it. I think, you know, I think we got a good chance. I know that bj's rand well there in the past and and it's a good track for me. It's fun and looking forward to it. Yeah, I have a couple question. Yeah, so obviously we were talking about a few minutes ago just growing up at the track, being around the track. I was wondering if there any certain names that stuck out that maybe took you under your wing or influence you in any way. Um, at the track. Not Necessarily, I you know, I was so young. I quit going when I was probably like seven or eight, so I was I was away from that scene at a fairly early age compared to some other, you know, second generation drivers who grew up there with her dad racing. I would say that, you know, over the last ten years I've stayed in close contact with a couple guys that are older than me that have been in the sport, correl joy and Brandon mcgrennold's. They've they've helped me out of quite a bit and certain situations and and you know they're there to kind of always provide some guidance if need be, and I look up to those guys in a lot of ways. You know, I think I think we all get along well. We kind of know what you know. We all kind of grew up similar to one another as far as in the racing world and trying to be drivers and hustling. So we're we're all good buddies after after the race and and I do look up to them quite a bit. Also, just one question, so to overall for this whole year. I know obviously every jar wants to compete for wins, top five's, top tens, but overall, what would you constant to as a good season this year? Yeah, that's a good question. I like talking about that one because I think it often gets overlooked for, you know, people in our situations, midpack teams. You know, I don't necessarily like the stigma around people like you know saying, Oh, if you're not going out there to win, you know, what are you doing? I don't I don't necessarily agree with that because, you know, for me and and DJ and the team he's built, you know, right off the bat the odds are stacked incredibly against us to win a race and I think that's evident. I think it's not talked about enough, but it's very evident with people that pay attention to the sport. And so for me I constitute a good day now with his competitive as the vicinity series, is with a top eighteen. If we finish eighteen or better, that is a good day. If it's a top fifteen, you know, great day, like we're beating people we shouldn't and anything further than that is just even better. You know, eighteen to twenty is is it's part. It's where we, you know, could run if we hit all our hit all our marks and execute where we need to. You know, in the top twenty five is kind of a salvage day where, you know, if everything goes wrong but we're able to finish, that's where we should be. So, you know, I'm glad you brought that up because for me it's kind of where we're playing a different game than the guys at the top of the rinity series and and I think it's known. I just like talking about it more because, you know, there's nothing wrong, nothing wrong with it. We're running our race or running there's but for me, you know, a top twenty day is is good, a top fifteen is great and and that's kind of how I approach each way each week, and you know that's how I go into the races, that's how I that's how I think during the race us as far as where we are position wise and in kind of adjust...

...from there. Thank you, Chris. I think you had one or two more. Yeah, I got a couple more. One of the big things already, or I usually notice, is, and you've mentioned about it, by running, you know, midpack and guys overlooking midpack teams and all that. Is there times where, I don't want to say you get frustrated with that or something like that, but are there times where you just get certain questions or here certain things about people talking about midpack teams for really, come on, we're we're doing the best we can, like stuff like that. Um. Yeah, you know, that's a good question and I think right now for the exfinity series it's a pretty popular one. Being with like the comments Noah made a couple weeks ago. It brings it brings up that debate again for me, you know, I like to look at it as as kind of what I just said. As far as you know, it's a different game that we're playing compared to the top guys and and I, as a driver, I understand that. You know, I raise those guys differently because I know you know, I shouldn't be racing them. To be honest, as far as as far as you know, car wise, horsepower wise, in it a lot of these tracks, you know, the the driver abilities is diluted as far as how important we we can be. And so, you know, I just tried to be smart. I try to be I try to look long term, I try to look at the end of the races. Is Giving Up, you know, a position to Noah or just an old guy or or, you know, my at somebody that just got a pit road penalty is is letting them go because I know they're going to pass me? A bad move right off the bat? Probably not, you know, and that's kind of how I approach these races and for me, you know, to get back to your question, I think we go out there and we know where we, best case scenario, could finish if no one else rex, and we try to we try to run our race backwards from that, you know, stage. If we're on the lead lap at the end of stage too, it's a great day for us and we're going to have a good finish time. Time and history of prove that. You know, if you're on a on the lead, let by the end of stage too, you're going to have a top twenty four day, top twenty three days. So you know, that's how we look at it and that's how we approach it. At the same time, I sure hope that the experience I'm gaining now will allow me to run in some competitive stuff that can contend for wins. Not that bj stuff isn't competitive right now, but you know, the different level of competition that that can compete for wins and guys will race me the way that you know I'm racing right now. Yeah, I think a lot of when people are just looking at the field, it's a lot of trying to figure out who we exactly can compete in all this in that and there's no there's there shouldn't be any degrading midpack or lower in backmarker guys, because they're they're doing exactly what they can do with the equipment that you have and it's not it's not horrible equipment. We've seen the team as a whole or you run run well before and I think a lot of it just comes down to how you guys can maneuver the day and try to get the best results possible. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's on the surface. And if you want to go deeper, you know, it all comes down to funding and resources. You know, the teams that have the most funding in the most resources, they're winning races and finishing, you know, second through nine or ten. However you want to look at it, you know, and I and I try not to be facetious, but at the same time, if there's not you know, midpack or backmarker teams, there's no top teams, essentially, you know, if you want to look at it that way. And so it's I can see where the debate lies. I try to approach it from A, you know, logical and understanding aspect of I know those guys know that their cars are, you know, more capable of than ours and and a lot of times, you know, they they deserve kind of the not right away, but they deserve to be raced like their championship continuing teams. And that's how I look at it. And you know, at the end of the day, I think it pays off more for BJ's team in myself to race smart rather than be aggressive, race a top team that we have no business of beating and make them mad and then, you know, maybe two or three races down the road it doesn't work out in our favor. So you know, I might have a I might have a minority opinion on that, but I think you know, so far it's worked out for me and I'm going to keep trying it. Yeah, I think that's I think that's more you sit you save minority, but I think that's more the right way to look at it. But a lot of people don't understand that, especially in today's society that we live...

...in with how wonderful social media is. I got so you switch teams this season, from Johnny Davis last year to Bej mclaud this year. What's like the what's the biggest difference you've seen? Was the biggest takeaway the change? Um, yeah, that's a great question. I think you know, it's fun because both teams are very, very similar in a lot of ways. For me, the biggest challenge has been right off the bat, the first four races last year we had practice in qualifying and it was all pre covid and so I was immediately able to build a lot better chemistry and in you know, have a lot more time with my team at the racetrack, have a lot more time adjusting the race card during practice, and so crew chief and I, you know, last year, Brian Berry, we were able to kind of build a dialog a lot quicker than what I've found this year with my crew chief, Adam Brooks. It's you know, we're having to work a lot harder at the shop to be sure we're going to the racetrack as prepared as possible because we know we're not getting not getting practice and the first couple races are crucial just to you know, learn what my vocabularies like, learn what his adjustment you know, his adjustment notebook looks like, what he likes to do to fix the cars, and so that's kind of been the biggest challenge at the shop. The two teams operate a very similar it's a great atmosphere, it's a great culture. They got very good people working there and and you know Johnny as an owner and Bj as an owner. You know, I couldn't, I couldn't say I don't know who who would be any better in those positions that are both fantastic guys and and I have a tremendous amount of respect for both. It's been fun to be in the garage and see the teammates and the crew guys that I had last year and be part next to him and and kind of share that share that Camaraderie. But it's a lot of fun at bj mcclouds. I love my teammates, I like I like kind of the I like the direction we're going. The potential for us, I think, is very high and I sure hope that we can, you know, turn it into something that a lot of people maybe not have thought it could be a year ago. You mentioned a low oak. Sorry, go ahead try. Okay. So you mentioned potential and what you guys looking for the future. What's what's one short term goal that you'd say you have, and what's one long term goal? Yeah, sure, short term goal, I think for us is we need to knock out some top fifteens on island a half. I think. I think the speed is there. We just really need to execute on adjustments in and in specific, you know, race strategy. I think if we can do that, it's going to immediately elevate us to the point that we know we have the capabilities to get to long term goal, I believe without a doubt as top twenty owner and driver points from myself and Bj I think would be a great goal. I'll already right off the bat. You know, there's there's five teams in the exfinity series that are more competitive than when I was in it last year. So it immediately raised the bar more. You know, I think, I think. I think that's also the case for all for all the Nationale series, truck, exfinity and cup. It just seems like this year there are so many competitive teams that everyone has to be on their a game and so for us long term goal, top twenty owner driver would be. would be a great accomplishment and I think it would speak volumes for kind of how serious you know Dj and his wife, Jessica car with their expinity team. Yeah, definitely definitely sounds like a set in there and maybe not setting stone, but you know, it's very achievable goals to have for basically just guys that don't get all the spotlight. I know, Troy, you're about to say something eyes about it, just comment, but I noticed that I completely forgot about this, but you made some cup starts a couple years ago and the cup series. How, like I knew you weren't is than that, like gread of equipment, but like how was the atmosphere? Like I've heard like people that shift no matter like the equipment, shifting to cup for even like a race, is just like it's a huge difference and like the competition everything. Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because it's always one of the most fun things. I like talking about as when I ran those couple cup races, they were in two thousand and eighteen and my first one was with Jay Robinson and premium motorsports at Kentucky. I had never been to...

...that racetrack before. I was in a cup car and this was two thousand and eighteen. So this was the high horse power, lowdown force package and I was coming from from the truck series and and you know, I had a I had a good approach about it in practice, just as far as you know, learned the track and then get comfortable with the speed in the car and you know, it was it was such a step up that I wasn't prepared for how big of a step up it was. You know, before in previous races. As a driver, you you can go from cane into trucks and it's a step but you're prepared for that stuff. You can go from trucks to exfrinity and so on. But getting to that level, I remember just how absolutely good every one of those drivers were and how and how smart the entire garage was as a whole. Like I remember looking down pit road and seeing the guys working on the cars and you know, for instance, even on my car, Peter Suspense, he's been a crew chief for forty years in the Cup series and and you know, here he is working on my stuff. And so it was really cool to see just how how I mean that is the top of the line, that is a pinnacle of the sport. And then the race started and you know, we didn't get to qualify. We missed tech and I'll get to that in a bit. So the race started and I was just a complete you know, a baby steps the whole time approaching it. It was a long races. My longest race ever four hundred miles. So you know, it was a whole different aspect. It was different on pit road. Everybody was better, they were faster, they were in and out of their box, quicker restarts. You know, it was all you can get, even for me and thirty third place. So it was fun. And then I went to still a couple months later and I practice there's doing well with that. For that race I raced with Malreaty gaunt in the ninety six car with gaunt brothers racing, and we went to go qualify and I didn't get to Qualify Kentucky. We had missed tech. But for the Cup series then you could still run qualifying setups and so I remember like thinking, you know, in truck and expanity you don't run it can and you don't run qualifying set up. So I remember asking around a couple of guys and I actually went to cory and I asked some you know. I'm like, you know, for a qualifying set up, what do you do different as a driver? He's like did you just drive the absolute heck out of it? She's like you're going to go a half a second faster here at Bristol and I thought that was unfathomable because it already felt like we were hitting mock speed there in the cup car. And so I just remember everything being so elevated and so like feeling like it is the absolute pinnacle in the best of the best. You know, everything was just faster, the guys were better, they reacted faster, they you know, they change lanes quicker, they change lanes more precise so it was a lot of fun and it pretty much did everything to reassure me that that's what I want to do with with my career. Awesome. Yeah, you don't. You don't hear a lot of the younger guys because because you still are on the younger side of the sport, you don't get always get that raw reaction from them because maybe not all of them know how to maybe not know how to handle the jump, but just kind of get that raw emotion and reaction out of it. Yeah, yeah, it was funny. You know, you have everything, even from like the driver introductions, walking out in front of Eightyzero people are Bristol. It's just like, oh my gosh, you know, here we are. This is it? So? No, it's it absolutely was. Was Everything I've ever hoped as a kid it would be. That's great. Um, let's see you guys have anything else from Oh, well, I know we did this with lessard and it ended up pretty well. It's just when I had any yeah, like funny stories or maybe odd moments that you can share face at the racetracker away. I'll give you, guys, the most recent one. So I I rent a room from cold custer. He's my roommate back in Charlotte and I just found out today. Actually, you know, we've taken up golfing's him and I have become big golfers and ever since last the end of last summer, we've been playing a lot and I mean there's probably been ten or twelve rounds that we've tied our score and it always is a joke because we always end up time. And he just actually sent me a text today that for the first time, he beat me to it. But he shot, he shot on or n shot an eighty nine a day, and so I didn't know how to handle it because it's been ongoing bet for like the last two months. So I was a little frustrated and I thought about, you know, what,...

...should I send them back? And then I said, okay, you know what I said? Okay, that's all right, you beat me a golf I said, I totally cleaned you out at gambling. This weekend because I want a lot more than he lost. So funny story is I'm a better gambler than he's a better golfer. So I'm going to leave it at that. Like that's that a little more important. I feel like one of those gets you a little bit more money. So it depends. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's I can't be the only one who doesn't see cold custer golfing. I just can't. I just I don't know why pigs that. Well, we'll have to do some like I don't know, maybe we'll have to do some like instagram live from the course next time, because we have a good time. We're we're pretty neck and neck with one another and he just sent me that text and it got me pretty upset, like out for that one. Yeah, really, yeah, go they go. tweet. I'm go congratulate him to say broke ninety, but I also heard Jesse one more money. That is great, honestly. Shoot. Well, do you have any mostince? We got the great off track story. Do you have any interesting at the track or garage stories? I really kind of just stand out more Um, you know, probably nothing out of the ordinary. It's been tough the last you know year and a half with not having a lot of people there. It's you know, it's been unfortunate kind of for me because I all the way up until last year I was only ever part time and in the national series and did a handful of races and and last year I went full time exfinity race on Johnny Davis, and I was really looking forward to being at the track for, you know, two three days at a time and kind of getting immersed in the culture and being there with all the fans. And unfortunately I only got to do that for the first four races and then of course everything change. But you know, for me, I think fun stories at the track or just catching up with guys, you know, talking to your good buddies, and the best ones are when they have a good day and you have a good day too and you can kind of reminisce and you know you raced each other hard and and left it all out there. So yeah, and then I know you mentioned John Hunter earlier and mentioning Buddies and other guys you like it the track. Is there are any guys you enjoy racing more than the rest out there? Or is that sad? Now really stand out much? That's a good question. I think you know, for me the exfinity series, Josh Williams and myself, we have from the from the drop of the green flag last year a Daytona, we've always seem to run into one another on the track, not not literally, but just around each other position wise, and we have some we have some crazy battles. We have we've had some a lot of fun racing on the track and I think he's the one guy that I've raced the most consistently with the hardest. As far as you know, none of us gives an inch, but there's a lot of respect there and we're not going to do anything to jeopardize the other but at the same time a white knuckle in it and we're getting everything out of it we can and I enjoy that a lot and I look forward to it when I get to see that I'm restarting around the ninety two. That's awesome. It's always good to have someone around that you just like, all right, this is going to be fun, but it's going to be it's going to be right up on the wheel. Yeah, I'd like to think, you know, he has the same opinion as far as we make each other work for it, that's for sure. Oh yeah, I'll see to that. Huh, can troy try one? I want. I don't know if anybody else has anything. Nick, you want to go? No, no, I was you can go. I don't have anything else. Yay. So I've been keeping this one for a couple minutes now. So your first Canon when was on was at New Hampshire and it was a crazy finish where the top two wreck each other out. What was like your mindset, like the final laps and like everything that went on there? Yeah, that was a that was a fun day for me. You know, we had a really fast car. We qualified second to Ben Roads and we raced up front all day. We raced like top three, I think, almost all day, and you know all day being a short little one hundred Mile Canon race, but back then it felt like all day. And I remember we had a late race caution of like five to go and on the restart I think I restarted fourth. I had some left front damage coming out of turn to and I lost a lot of ground to Nick Drake and Brandon Jones. Nick was really fast that day. He was running that was when they ran the bill mcin alley stuff on the east...

...coast and number fifteen, and so he was really fast that day. I think he let a lot of laps. Brandon Jones was second in the it would have been, let's see, trying to think the Turner Scott car back then, or the age Scott car, one of those. He was running second and I remember coming to the I remember taking the white flag and they were fifteen. None of they were probably like eight or nine car links a out of me and we went through one in two and I saw brandon had a good run coming off the two and I was like, hmm, you know, maybe maybe they'll go in here too odd and they get loose and we'll just see what happens. And then I saw the thirty three pretty much dive bomb going into turn three and and come up and sweep them and it was best case scenario, you know. They both got sideways and they both went backwards into the wall and I was right there and I remember just it was a fun feeling. Was My first win. It was on my mom's birthday and it was at New Hampshire, which was a pretty cool race track. So it was it was a lot of emotions kind of culminating into one and definitely a feeling that I've held onto and hope to feel again soon. Great, that's really it's really cool to watch that finish. It's a really crazy I remember. I remember Nick and I are buddies now and I always like to give him a hard time as far as if he went to bar the trophy, he can, because he you know, he should have probably taken that one away. But you know, it ain't over till it's over, right. Yeah, was that Brandon Jones who sent it into the corner for a diebomb? Okay, down, like barely turned into the corner. I want to see this finish. I don't think I've seen this finish. I'll actually, I might have for the year. Sorry, fourteen on two thousand and fourteen. No, I'm pissured. Making cat's was really like, oh no, I don't want to watch. Ready for Brandon Jones. Okay, two thousand and fourteen, New Hampshire. Yeah, Catan race, but get a live reaction. Hate and probably going to I go here and Jones, except a very biased reaction. Yeah, we call it hire was going down. It's fine, guys, all this is a okay, let me thirty eight minutes. No, I'm skiven to the end. Yeah, okay. So here it is, three to go. Okay, let's skip to two to go. Okay, here's yeah, they're going down the back stretch right now. So Nick Drake and Briana Jones. Okay, they were fast at race. The fifteen was like definitely the car to beat. I remember. Yeah, looks like you weren't too far back. Yeah, you weren't too far back. You had McDonald's on your back bumper. So I could have been dangerous if you weren't ready for that. The Go Eddie Mcdonald O. Good, here we go, either to get into three and four it oh my God, absolutely sent and took them out, and then here comes the goat for I just want to know what your reaction was. Oh, that would have been so priceless, man. I was I was like, you know, it was one of those where you thinking the back of your mind like oh well, maybe they'll wreck, and then and you see it happen, you're like, Oh, I called it and he just yeah, you just hit your marks and and I think I actually remember. I was so happy I was like shaking the car coming to the checkered yeah, yeah, you were. And then then we went to go do it bur and I like didn't really know how and I remember like, you know, I didn't remember want to mess at the engine. We had a race the next weekend, so I was like yeah, I'm just gonna like do a baby burnout and take it to victory lane. So it was a it was a fun day. I hear you you would have been what, sixteen, Seventeen years old? I Si. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I was. I think I had just turned seventeen. Yeah, Oh, yeah, so that's one of those like peer just young, emotional, just like yes, this is this is awesome, like one of the biggest smiles I've ever seen. I'm watching the Polish race right now. I was I don't even know what I said that. I was great too. It was cool to I remember my dad was he was an Iowa with the truck series at the time, and so he actually called me. I got to have a...

...conversation with him a victory legs. That was pretty cool. You know, things like that that you'll remember and you don't take for granted. Oh yeah, that was the one thing I was going to mention earlier told forgot to even asked a lot of a lot of you or a lot of trucks or other series grown or coming through the ranks. was racing for your ton, racing for your family? How was how was all that? Yeah, that was a lot of fun. I think those were definitely the years that I've I was able to hone in on on my, you know, personality and kind of how I wanted to be looked at as a driver. My uncle, Jason Little, own the team and and we had, you know, two guys working, first for the majority of the time and then myself in the summer when I was in at school, and it definitely taught me everything I wanted to everything that I am able to know now I learned from from those five six years of working on the truck stuff and the appreciation I've gained for, you know, the crew guys and the work that goes in and then and then just, you know, taking care of the car. I think you know I I've always looked at it as I know how much more work we're able to get done more and I'll fixing the stuff every weekend, even if we don't wreck. But you know, you hit a fender, terror nose. Well, you're still spending a lot of time fixing it rather than making it better, and I think I'm able to carry that into you know, my my my my team this year with J and even lash Johnny. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of a lot of hard work, but you know, it paid off a lot and I think the crew chief I had at the time at noise, he's Derek Cross, has crew chief now and the trucks series. You know, we really hit it off well and made made the most of what we had. Went to a couple races in two thousand and eighteen and I think we had a race winning car. I just didn't I just didn't have the experience. I lacked the on track experience to make it work. But you know, looking back, those are the things that make it so rewarding. Is Even though we know work seventy hours a week getting ready for Dover, we went there and passed Johnny Soder for the lead. So, you know, a lot of stuff like that looking back as it makes it worth it for sure. Yeah, that Dover race, it kind of stands out for me whenever I like I think of you, I remember watching that Dover racing. You're like top five all day and you're like they were talking about you on the broadcast like the most of the time, when it was like wow, look at Jesse little in the top five, he's battling on these guys, and I remember that. And then I had a pit road penalty. Yeah, and I don't like the heartbreak and everything at the end. They're like no, that's it was. It was a lot of fun racing there with them. You know, we we grew a lot in a short amount of time. You know, when we first started doing it in two thousand and sixteen, it was a you know, it was a valiant effort, but it wasn't like we were going to the races feeling very confident in ourselves, and then by the end of two thousand and eighteen, just two years later, you know, we were going to the races expecting to run top ten and hoping to run top five and have a shot for a wind. So that was really cool, really really special, especially the way we did it, with two trucks and working out of a little, little, tiny shop. So it was a lot of fun and definitely, I think the biggest help in my career so far. Just about. I'll hit the con hit the mark a lot of yeah, yeah, we got we got quite a good amount there. It was fun. It's always fun. Yeah, I gotta get you on again. It's always fun. Yeah, we'll do it for sure. For sure. Um, let's see. Was it going to Oh, they're anywhere on social media where everyone can find you. Is there in particular user name where? Just just your name? Yeah, for me it's easy on basically everything is just a Jesse little ninety seven, twitter, instagram, facebook, snap chat, whatever linkedin. I have it all. Yeah, shoot. Well, wow, Benna, it's been great having you on here and thank you again for coming on and hopefully we can see you doing well in the tracking, getting up there and maybe racing with some of those top guys. That's right. Yeah, that's that's the goal. That's what we're hoping for. So I appreciate you. Guys. Thank you. Yeah, good luck. I Phoenix and yeah, good luck. Yeah, you want after Dover, because that's one of your better tracks. You said. Yeah, that's do it. Maybe we'll lets have a celebration podcast. Yeah, I'll be the first to shoot you a DM anyway, there you go. Also, covid depending, but we might be at Watkin's. Glenn the coach...

...here, you on the prosom depends on the situation. But yeah, try. Won't because, yeah, sure he's gonna be. Yeah, yeah, want to go to Nashville? Yes, all right, but yeah, we'll figure. Thank you. Thank you for going on. Thank you for coming on. Then, Yep, thank you, guys, will do it against in yeah, take care. Yeah, you too, you do. I don't even know what flavor this is. I can't tell. It's McDonald's. So artificial are we spring? You don't even realize this? It's not right. I oh, it's a chocolate O. Shit. Okay, I thought it was an Oreo. Jesus take rumors and news. There's been a lot really, since it's, you know, seasons kind of getting going, everyone's kind of getting used everything. But NASTROS passed week. Did released more INFO on the historic Bristol dirt races going to take place in less than a month. Now we're getting down to it's like twenty days, I think, and they announced things about the heat races. The heat races to set them. It's times going to be like where you finish is gonna decide where you're starting. It's going to be between. It's going to be a combination of, of course, where you finished and like like some kind of like points format from that. So, like if you gain a position on track and it's one point, and if you lose it, then like you don't lose any points. But like pretty much the more passes you make in the heat race, the farther up you'll start in the actual main event on Sunday. And the line is pretty heat will be done by by draw and there'll be no choice going for the main race or the heats, I'm guessing either. And the biggest, one of the bigger things is there's going to be no love pit stops. That that was kind of like something big. One of the bigger questions. Like how pit stops going to be done everything, but it's going to be done like under caution, understage cautions and all that, where it's going to be easiest for all teams. So Green flight pit stops are in a complete mess. That makes sense. Rights you probably have. We'd have an absolute interesting situations happening. Yeah, I'm not the I'm not a fan of that. No Green flag pits offs. What I mean, I see why it has happen. So I mean can't really complain. We're racing on dirt. It's kind of disappointing that. Yeah, it won't be life tit steps, but I mean that's how it's been for the trucks. Yeah, they go to Eldra, so I can't fault them on that. I think it's just a safer they choke and I don't blame them. Yeah, I mean we ware the race to be Ms. we don't want it to be that big of a mess, even though it's going to be that big of a mess. But yeah, I don't know if it's going to be a bad mess, but it's going to be a mess. It's we can all agree it's going to be a mess. At least last one. I'm Bang Um. So that pretty much wraps up the short news syin up this I was like, we're gonna go through reviews. This is normal your view. We do it like normal, the full weekends, restoring troops shooting at trucks. The truck rase was listen to base, but that was a lot of fun to watching that. It was. Finally, it was also I was writing it. It was also an entire time. So I couldn't really like enjoy. Oh yeah, it wasn't. It was. It was annoying as like writing an article because, like you, it was like caution, of caution, see to like right as much as let's talk about the headline heading into the race camping world. Yeah, God, Oh my God, failure happened. Does anyone knows? It a try. It was ten trucks. It was kind of like it was kind of like a win, but, like they all, like all there was some kind of when in the roadway. Yeah, it was a wrong way. It was a win financially for most teams, but like Um at the track, it was kind of a curse if her name was not granting finger a part of clicker. Yeah, exactly. Those were the only two that could consistently be up there and not have a problem. Happened, because everyone else just it was like a snowball effect. One would have a problem and then the rest of them just start having problems, like I don't don't know what happened, but it just seemed to work that way. Yeah, I mean it was a it's not a bad race overall. I I say it was a good it was about your typical vagas trucker is. It was, but it was. Yeah, but it wasn't the truckers. I think many people expect that. I think...

...many people wrote off Kyle Bush, his name as an easy win, even though I would say he didn't have the dominant truck for long. He I did. Didn't he win a stage? Yes, stage to, yes, yes, stay true. Yeah, so I'm stage one. So yeah. So, I mean he wasn't. Not Saying Bush was bad, but I mean we saw what he did late in the race. I mean he'd even lead for long. Yeah, I know, it didn't feel like he was in the race, which is weird considering he's kind of Bush. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think I personally expected a shutout. I think I expected him sweet stages and win. Maybe my expectations are too I maybe I stual have said. You know what, Bush hasn't had a great last season and four races. Look really got a fire. You really didn't. Yeah, I mean even an exfinity and trucks. I mean, I know I'm pretty sure he wrung won the truck race a Vegas last year. I'm pretty sure he did. Yes, yeah, one think for three or four yeah, yeah, and then he won the Texas race but got DQ Austin cindric would win and then he won the Charlotte race. That's I mean it just feels like that was like a bit of a lackluster that was really lack luster, honestly, for Kyle Bush standards. I think we're seeing that he still hasn't adapted to no practice. Yeah, like the rest of the field, I think that's the vieries. Yeah, he's the main one that hasn't been able to adapt as well. Yeah, I think that's why Bush is so good. He gets in a car, he says what needs to be changed, changes it and then he's insane. He's one of the best in the garage, but when you don't have any time to change and do anything, he not thinking he's bad, but he isn't as what I think many people would expect them to be, where other drivers like Elliott Harvick, Hamlon shrew x donal, because I all these guys thrive. The rest of them left. Ten, the rest, yeah, ten drivers just seemed to yeah, excellent no practice, and it's not like Bush is running bad, but he's running most rooms. Ten Bush, ten through fifteen. Yeah, I mean he did have a top five run a vegas. So I mean can't heard him there. If there's any check that he can just show them run. Well, it's Vegas and Bristol. Oh, yeah, yeah, so let's talk about truckers. Re You cory roper. He was the first caution. That was like what three laps? Lap Three? Yeah, lap three. Just let him there. and John Hunter, Nima check, would basically dominate stage one. He would dominate stage one, the one then, yeah, and then there. There would be no cautions between in Stage two. But Kyle Bush win. I forget if he was dominant or not. I don't feel like he was dominant. John Hanna led most of the stage and yeah, past like fifteen to go or something like that. Yeah, Bush most only led sixteen laps. Even John Hunter led more than him. Yeah, John corminated the night. Yeah, John Hunter led more than him. Even. Who is that I'm trying to fit? No, yeah, I almost let his money lapses. M. Yeah, thirteen. Yeah, I'm MOFA. So it's just a very damn night for Kyle Bush. Stays two an end. He would win stage though. So let me be good. I guess. I mean there's nothing. He does nothing towards him. Yeah, and then this is when caut Ho broke loose would start to happen. Literally all hell broke loose. A yeah, the forty four of Connor daily, the fifty six of Tyler Hill and the tow car childon creed Shell and creed. Yeah, I don't know, I forgot that, and they would all have a sorry, yeah, we don't even know that. Under daily got loosens overcorrected into a five. Yeah, crash in turn, I believe it. Stern one. Yeah, one and two. And then next caution after that would be Chandler Smith. What happened? Could he get? I remember seeing him spin, but yeah, if it was just he got spun, or if he had a tire or something go down. Did you have a Tirero down, Rudi? He just gets fun. I think he got spun, spun, because I remember this was when John Hunter Nima check. He was coming to pay rope because he had like a flat or something, and then he had a limpet all the way around the track. But then a caution came out and saved his all. As if that never happened, he would not have won this. Very sorry. Would put money on...

...that. But then probably the most controversial part of their face. Oh, we all know. Le Bush would intentionally. Wasn't intentional. It was intentional. It was sent. Yeah, it wasn't twitch spin would spend the truck to get a caution, which I mean him, though. It was Nope, Nope, nope. Ever happened. Nope. To be fair, I can't blame them. I mean, he's going for a way and what does he have to lose? So well, so he didn't want to get x amount of fine that he would have gotten for admitting it. So is that would have that would have looked great. TOPSTER NASCAR GETS fine because he spun out intentionally in a truck race. And here is where the biggest wreck happens. Is the one less our cred clears. I'm sorry. Last had. We do like you, though. We do like caught like. Come on, favorite truck dire, come on the side. We'll have to get you back on talking into what's well, you did. Let's sock it at will. Let that one slide for now. But a lot of drivers involves. The one car. He Le Haley Degan was involved, like you said, read David Gillen. He hap a solid, like a sorry right in the breast homes? Yeah, do you as having a sold night to Ryan Trurex, the top five in that. And then who else was in there? Austin Wayne Self, he was having a good night to he battled back, though. He battle back, he did FA. Yeah, good round room. Was It hoste Rod? No, no, homes or at homes. I sinking of the forty my bead. Forty tricks ran tricks. Yeah, that would be just a big mess. That was a mas that was a cluster and a half. Then there'd be another caution. SURPROBLEM. Roper. Yeah, he got absolutely destroyed. Roper in Hell. Yeah, and then we would have our final caution of the race on lap one hundred and twenty four, with the twenty three, the three, the two thousand and seventy five. Who Twenty six? Is Tyler Anchor? No, yeah, you know that how it is at rack. Oh, no, the twenty as the two thousand and thirty, wasn't it? The twenty kind of just bounced off of everyone. Yeah, Yeah, party twenty. WHO's the three? Three was George Jordan Anderson. Yeah, and it was the seventy five clingerman. Barely got anything, though, because he und a fashion really how you yeah, you got and then would be be basically a sprint to the finish. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tried and then just didn't have anything done. Hunter, name of check is. I think we all expect him to have a great season and he's asserted himself as the clear championship favorite in my eyes. So far, so far, so put a fix UPAR gap. I'm been Rhodes and been Rhodes won the first two races of the season. Yeah, that's so honor John Hanter also one stage is yeah, he's one stages in every race, I'm pretty sure. Did you want to stage in Daytona? No, I think now I think it was let's hard. It was the start and create as no, let's start one, let's are. Yeah, we just sat. Thought I thought you said soudern creed. God, no, I don't think anyone can stand soccer enough. Tiven mentioned him. points, Nima, check, first roads, creed craft and Chandler Smith is fit. Yeah, I was going through points today. I'm like, how is it far up? He's done like nothing to us. Stewart freezing six could run so far in finger seven, Gilland e John Hunter did when Stage Shot Daytona. So he has one. Yeah, every, okay, every race so far. Yeah, Gilian and solder tied for eight, host of are and hopes of our in Austin Wayne Self tied for ten. And then Austin Hill is on the cut line, Eighty five points back from Nima. Check. And then out by three is at case, out by four is Smith and Lasar. And then what is the out by eight is MOFATT. Did most change his point six trinity over the weekend? I thought I read something about that. Now he's now? I don't think so. Off Season. Well, yeah, I know, I know he could. I know it was originally supposed to be finity. Slipped at two trucks. I thought I read something that he might have switched texffinity again, but nonetheless I didn't hear anything about that on twitter. But I guess...

I was just seeing things and that was a that was the truck race. The two thousand and twenty one bucked up. Two hundred might as we open the camping world. Two hundred pretty much pretty much what it was. It was just a yeah. And now the exfinity race, the two thousand and twenty one als goes uniform. Three hundred at lost. That is probably the worst race of the weekend. It was the worst race of the weekend, but wasn't like it wasn't that that bad because, like there was a good and changes and I think it was clearly the worst race of the weekend. I think it was. It was, it was the worst, but it wasn't like that bad. It wasn't even awful to watch, even with the more carnage of the trucks and the package for the cup. exfinity just seem to lack for the first time this year. Yeah, I think it was like a four out of ten race. Five hundred ten, five hundred ten is mid PAT is made all of the road. I don't think it was anything. Just started to syndric start on pole again. Are you serious? NOMITER? Whoo Snyder, forgot about him. He won Miami's kind of a my and I go to on of him. I Hey, tricks made a pass out of force, so you should be happy about that. But besides that, yeah, anyway, who is will get starng a expedity race? Pretty uneventful. Stage one. We at the competition caution, like we expected. The ninety nine. Who is that? Oh, we had don't even Parson step and Carson don't move. Oh that's that way, dots the dogecoing card. And then the end of Stage one would happen? WHO WOULD WIN STAGE ONE? So centered? Oh, every race this season. I didn't expect that whatsoever. I don't know. Oh, no way. And I just want to talk about a little bit of something. Okay, Riley herbs, you can hate on him no matter what. I don't really care. But you have to admit in exfinity series right now he is the most unlucky driver from between this here. A lass down, hands down this year. I mean, oh, gotten caught up to everyone else's reck so far. And it's not like he's been running bad either. He was running top, he was running third at Daytona road course and then Sindrick and amondinger happened. So I mean it's just I feel bad for the man, I really do. I want him to get a win. I want him to break through this season and prove that he's not a bust, but it just it sucks. Well, and it's it's not that it's not that he's a bust, adding, it's not that he's adding out to that bust factory that people are putting him in. Is just that the circumstances that he's having so far? Ma, can that happen? Yeah, Michael, and that was in that wreck. I don't remember him being that. And then tied Dell. Okay, don't having a great day, a really good yeah, he did his top five. He finished really no sex. You can of six because his father just passed away. So, yeah, those those a huge storyline of going into the race back to okay, the thirty nine, to see on the Front Stone Ryan. See Ryan. Well, that was that Bos look to. Oh, yeah, him too. That's when he went through the grass, right. Yeah, yeah, just died or out the front, switter. Yeah, and then Justin Haley, the a car. Who say you are Josh Barry. He still had a solid day to though, didn't. Yeah, you got seven. Yeah, yeah, Josh like Spun Haley whatever like that for really yeah, like how it happened, but like they got together and like he's at a solid day. He's a solid season, honest, like not even just a solid day, like that's all he's he's another one that's been like either caught up in something while he's running up front. Every single time like. If he's not caught up in something, he's typically running top ten, top five. I've yeah, he's very impressive. Yeah, I think. I think junior might lose his late model guy. Think he's doing this? Yeah, I think, I think so too. And then end up stage two. That was almonding or on the stage right. No, hemric won does stage. I wanted Hamrick to win so bad. Yeah, Never gonna wait, just gonna put a seconds whole life. Yeah, I wanted both but like almon inters came a while. I don't want almondinger. No, you got almen digger. Yeah, thanks. And then next track would be Harrison burden and Austin Syndric. Oh, yeah, oh, that's when dumb ass wasn't okay. That was a racing more of a racing inst and I think, I think yea burden threw a block, but syndrics just didn't hold back. I don't think I was anyone's fault. I think that was just that was a little those. That was a bit...

...of both of them. Just kind of yeah, I think cyndric was racing aggressively, but burden was also blocking aggressively. So Me Whoda thought? The twenty two turned the twenty going into turn one at a track anyway. Hey, Dylan, man's been disappointing. E wrecked again, did he wrecked twice? I called it before Daytona. I just H I like you, Roh, I do, I really do. No livings are like them, though. Lebay was in that rag where Matha was in that wreck? Seventeen, who's I give way to get his thoughts later. Oh My god, who's the seventeen bro? Seventeen was a rick, whir car, Arrott, Smith Lee. Hell, yeah, that's thirteen. And David's David Star. WHO's David Star? I haven't heard of him since Miami. Yeah, I haven't heard his name. Only a lot of drivers led this race. Yeah, wellmeric Syndric's brands of a lot of leaders. It was a yeah, eleat changes. Count off the top of my head, Hamrick, Syndric, Brian and Jones, Augar, almondinger, Haley and Dylan. Seven leaders, but like twenty holy charges changes. Yeah, see, it wasn't a bad race, it just had nothing really super exciting. I think that's what we're getting out of it. There was like twenty of the changes between like both yeah races last year, last week so AJ almandigger would pretty much cruise to a win. Hemerock really didn't have anything firm, I felt, and he would get his first win of two thousand and twenty one, and I think he's got more to come. I think most people can agree on that. Hemmerick. Second, the second place curse continues. Brandon Jones, third, choir. Good Day. He's underrated the season, I think. Cyndric another good, expected day. Know what Greg's side side note on centric. In the first four races he's finishing four different positions in the top five. Why doesn't he finished second? No, he hasn't finished third yet. We'll do that next week at Phoenix's probably good. Noah, gregs. No, Gregson had a terrible car and he still finished fifth. So Yay, it's car. His car shocked in like he took the vantage his pulleys on top of it, though, he gained like shot of puts every single time. Junior motorsports was insane. They had greg's and fifth and net six and Barry Seven and then all I got to just sucked the final around the what happened? But like his car was so oh, his car fell off a cliff. You're gonna hear that later. And then points right now. Austin Cindric surprisingly leads Hemrick, second, Brandon Jones third. It's literally I no, cyndric didn't when I forgot. Absolutely. Yeah, but Burton is fourth, fifth, is Hayley. Six, amiting or seventh, Snyder, eight, Burton, ninth, Clemens, ten, Brown and eleven and that twelve Greg's and last river on the cut line. But he's tied on the cut line with Landon Castle. Wow, grass is graft junior. Two points out, I'll guy, two points out, three points, oh, Barry. Six points are Williams, seven, John and John Martin's. Yeah, Herb said that Barry isn't run the full season because we can get a full season of him. That'd be great. Yeah, actually put up some like a really solid season. Yeah, eight. Eight points back from the cut line, is herb. So I mean it. It's just sang. He hasn't eat. Yeah, but yeah, I was looking at know my b nine, nine, yeah, I counted wrong. Good man. Okay, all right, you know I'm not gonna man. Yeah, we know this. Okay, time for the big bucks race, the best race of the season. Are Not? Okay, now, whow? Who? Buddy I might be hitting now something later, okay, but the best race of the weekend of my opinion. We can all agree on that, and it was a pretty great the first stage was the best with this package I've seen since two thousand and Nineteen Kansas Spring Race. That first stage, this race was so good. That first stage was great racing. Oh my God, I just Oh, I just exit out of racing reference. Oh my God, didn't like that.

I didn't want that to happen. Okay, pens one, four hundred. Four hundred is not about Jaf Louse. Okay. So competition caution would happen pretty early. On Lap Twenty seven, Til I thirty, there would be a debris caution. I didn't actually see the debris, and anyone see the debris now. It was just board Phantom. Cautions are back boys, except for the final stage anyway, um end of Stage one. So there was really nothing happening. So the second stage, stay at second stage was dry, but the first stage, oh my God, I would kill for that racing to be each week. Well, the second stage was mostly what Larsen and Kauslaus Ki, yeah, just going at it. They were like really good. For Larson was ahead of Larson was ahead of case Lasky for like it was under a second, pretty much the whole stage, and then they got to green flight page stops and Larsen exited out by like six seconds. It was insane. And she's almost one to stage too. I don't care. I mean, yeah, I think task coming to the white first stage to yeah, coming, it was pretty safe to say. That depends, because I finally showed up for an entire race this year. Yeah, except Damn Timeline. He was like six to ten, though. Racing Colonel Blainey was actually insane at the last. Yeah, where did he finish? He Finished v Yeah, Oh, he beat true X. You. Yeah, he I didn't even really happen, just blow by him. I don't true x was like her and then he fell. The six not big, but yeah, stage one would end. WHO ON STAGE ONE? Was that Kazlowski's Lawski? Yeah, yeah, that was where, because I see passed out yet stage two, nothing really happened. Is a pretty good stage, though. I'd say good strategy involved Larson Woodwin stage too, and then Byron through it away so hard. Oh Yeah, Oh, yeah, second to Larson and he was catching Larson and then he stayed out for an extra ten laughs. I don't. I question why they would do that. And then, well, then, when at all, cycled through lesson of the five second leagues. Yea Six second Um. But then we would have our second real caution of the day. Chase. Elliott's the defounding series champ and lost talent off of to. Yeah, he's just yeah, God, Lucy hit the he just drede up, just spun s yeah, he just spun the car. I was one hundred percent his fault, I think. But it says Kurt Brush was involved. I won't remember Kurt Bush taking him. I think that might have been where his damage came from. R chases damage came from. Yeah, that would explain it. And then this one good race out Elliott and Almola rect God, whoo. Then Eric Almolla would wreck. Doesn't deserve the ten. That's don't deserve time as a whole. And entire disappointment that in my that's in my segment. Harvard was nowhere to be seen. I mean, we can talk about it. I don't really hey, it's basically a long green flag round till the end. Kyle Larson, though, he's back, Young's money has returned. Let me refers that. He's not bad. He has here and he's here to stay. And it's insane. If you look at the points, he's right up there. Yeah, like not playoff points, he's right there top ten. Let's see. Larson. First, good run, great run. Kez Laski. Second, another great run, another kids Laski COUNTA Day. Kyle Bush, third day. Were showed ndering him in the truckerries, but I mean he showed up to Blaye today at the end of this thing. Third place isn't bad. He was complaining hard over the radio, as Ky. Any time, anytime kyle complains about the car the entire race, you know he's going to finish like don't ye? So yeah, Danny Hamlon forth, another quiet day. Blandy v, he's done. He is probably I'd say he's better than La Gana was fine the first age but he fell off super hard and I said see what's to happened. To look at I remember he was running. He was writing his twenty. Yeah, he's running like twenty at one point. I think. So Blaney had a good day. He needed a good day after being twenty four and points. True. rect six, another solid solid Ay Bell, underrated, very underat raised. He was top seven, I'd say, pretty much the whole day. William Byron, eight nights for Lagano, showed up in the end. And Eric Jones, first real man. Hey, baby, let's go love that for US standhouse eleven, underrated, Michael...

McDowell, seventeen. I think we saw Michael McDowell come back to Earth today. Yeah, he's back to McDowell kind of ways. I mean to be fair, he didn't be enough. So he's not back to one hundred percent me now. was bound that happened. Yeah, it was gonna happened, like really soon either way. Yeah. Also, my Benedetto. Okay, here's going to you got. You got screwed out of a good run. Yeah, to be fair, he needed this because he's what thirty one and points? He was pretty far back. He was terrible. He's terrible the season so far. Other notable finishers, bowman, Jon Bowman, got screwed by his tire going down. Finished twenty seven. Alfred will definitely dip your pissed his pants. Oh my God, the feeling at that very moment. He's just like he's did he still I have to well, I don't even want to know what's come through either one of their heads. And that happened. I don't want to know what. Imagine being a spar though I was the replay. I watched the replayer the earlier to day and I'm still like fringe out. I'm like, Oh my God, he's just zumed by. I was just like it's just complete like silence, like the cars like pretty much like Tur shut off and you sure, it's like yeah, and now finishing twenty eight, bubble Wallace, I mean it wasn't his fault today. That was obviously the car. No, literally car, the team to team is definitely not shown up. So far it's not shown up, but I've expected this. I didn't yeah, a spect them to fire. I think midseason, summer runs, I think we'll start to rack up top fifteen, top tens. They're gonna need to yeah, I think it's I think they're going to have to start soon or awesome, notmic the playoffs. They're gonna have to start soon, especially with the way this year's going. They're good as book start soon. Layoff standings after this race. Kyle Larsonce, it's top of the board. He with his win. Christopher bow second, McDowell. Third, McDowell was over Byron and points still Byron. Fourth, Ham and V he six, because Bosky, seventh for Lagano, eight or seventh Allia, eighth, Volano, nine, Harvick, ten, true x, Eleven, Kirk Twelve, Austin, Dylan. Right, compris. Let's go. I don't know how they hang in. I've been seen him do anything. He just does quiet. He just does quite. He does quiet and finish the top twenty each dudes race. I mean if you finished fifteen or higher every race, you goodness put yourself in a very good spot. Yeah, yeah, and fourteen Bush. It's really fourteen the points. I thought it was lower. I know he was below the cut line heading into this race. Fifteen for blady and six the cobusher. Blaney was twenty four. I'm wrong, am I? No, yeah, I didn't think so. And then standisher, seventeen there. Yeah, eighteen, Bowman. He's was eighteen heading into this race. Nineteen Cold custer and twenty bubble wallace. It's a big named drivers. Interesting standing so far. Yeah, tell me about it. It's two thousand and twenty. One Baby, I thought two thousand and twenty was wire. Yeah, two thousand and twenty was normal compared to this year so far, and that of that I realize it. Yeah, it's gonna shoot across all three series. It's been kind of just one of those years where you started looking at it like, okay, can you get any crazier or we just gonna I don't say that. Don't say that. I don't want to know what happens after that. Michael, Michael, we're gonna, we're going to see. No, WE'RE gonna, we're gonna see someone like Preser stenhouse. Whenever race. It's not a superspeedway. I mean SAS can win Bristol dirt. I mean, I'm just said. Is True my predict. I mean we could see Bristol just when Bristol during really screw everything up. Oh my God, I mention that happens. Wait, what if belt or what if BRISCO DOES WHEN BRISTOL DIRT? I have one of I have bow winning Bristol there. Let's he's gonna get six wins and a championship this he's okay, okay, anyway, back to reality. Back to reality. What are you talking about? You're talking about your fan favorites. It's kate, your fan favorite. Yeah, okay, here we go, Kate. It's great. So go. Well, so he's done so.

Oh, no, you can comment, you can comment. I'm just going to ignore you, though. I just don't know. Okay, my first stake is this was the the first stage was the best racing of the whole season we've seen so far. No competition, but the whole race was the second best race of the season. What do you want? Rore? First, first twelve flaps of the twenty five uncher was really again, that's not the whole stage, and that's how the whole stage. Oh Yeah, yeah, and I don't think anyone can disagree with me. This is definitely the second best race of the season. At least you can argue. You can argue it. I think it is. What are you going to say? The road course was the best because but one? Yeah, no, not because of that. I just think the road quart, the road of course, is still really good, though. Yeah, first feeling good. Vegas and road course word equal. I think I like I personally like the road course more for an obvious reasons that no one could think. But yeah, I don't think that's too much of a hot take, but I just I do think this race was really good and I think at the end of the season it could be a top ten race. I do think that we have only nine more races with the intermediate package, so we can write off nine races. Well, Hey, there's that one spring cansas race. You can't write off that. We'll see where we get there. Last year, yeah, it was really bad. It was actually in summer last year though. Looking and my second thing is I think Justin Alighire will go winless this season and fail to make the round of Eight. Honestly, a lot of competition ahead of them. Yeah, there's a lot of competition and he's had an extremely slow start this season and, like Oh Jesse little was saying earlier when we had him on, it's a competition across all three series this year is insane and we also taken a step out. Yeah, it you're seeing guys that normally run fifteen front of the top ten and it's just kind of nuts. Yeah, no, no, I definitely agree with that, with that. Yeah, we were. I think Augar I'm not saying he's gonna have an awful season, but I don't see him getting a win. I see him being in contention for wins. I just think it's going to be one of those seasons he's not going to break through. I think next season he definitely could, but this season, I mean the way it started, I don't see him winning and I don't even see making it past the first round. And you know what, let's talk about rounds. Okay, let's talk about the championship for okay, this will be the weirdest championship for we've had ever, I think, and did series, Oh cup. Okay, okay. So the driver who won the race, Kyle Larson, comes back in Hendrick equipment and has run is currently third and regular point standings. Yeah, yeah, he's. It's just in yeah, I don't think you can disagree with me there. I think he means that even includes Daytona, where he were what happened in the final stage? Yeah, in the road course where? If that's going to happen, we'd be looking at a different points order right. Yeah, could even have won the race. You don't know. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, you two wins are ready to see here. I think the only thing holding them back right now is that over confidence? Not over confidence, that over aggressiveness that he does tend to have, like at the Dayton road course, for example, where he just sent it into the corner because he could, I guess. I don't know, Ye had fresh triers. He thought he could. Yeah, so I do think. I think your championship for would look something like this. I think Kyle Larson will make your final four. I think Christopher Bell will make your final four. Okay, I think Brad has last you will make your final four and I think the final driver to make your final for is not Kevin Harvark, it is not any hamling and, before you say, it is not Martin tricks Jr. Okay, okay, okay, okay, I can by I think, the next driver to make the final four the season. So let's recap that. Kyle arson. Oh my God, just wait, you can't, you can't wait this long. Bro It's Kurt Bush, I think her. I was waiting for that as like I'm going to...

...freak every in the same yeah, I see for some to be on it, like yeah, revenge tour, like not even a revenge tour, but just like they're going there. Those four going to be the ones. They're just like hey, so Larson, is this? Larsen, I think I've already wrote him off as a championship contender, arguably the championship favor, but that he's run each week. Christopher Bell, I think he's a sleeper right now. Yes, he's five the points and he's probably going to drop severely, but I do think he's gonna get two or three wins, two or three more wins, I think. Thank you, and man just said earlier that he's going to get six wins. Thank you, breacting reality. Finally, I have to sometimes, but this is my segment, so I mean, what are you going to do at it? I think Brad has last. He's just an easy driver to WHO's going to run consistent each week? Who? I have faith it where he can make the final four? And Kurr Bush, I don't know why I have them in my final four. I don't I have no stats to back this up other than he's on a freaking mission. I mean, he's got them points right now. Oh yeah, if he didn't have a couple of times where, I mean he's been racing aggressive and it's paid off for him. But if he yeah, if he hadn't done that for an entire race, then he'd probably be sitting higher. But yeah, he him and or those, those four seemed to be the ones just straight up being like hey, Yo, we're taking over this year. Harvick has no speed at all. I don't know whatever that's. When we're getting into that, I think Stewart Hoss racing will get a combined total of four wins this season across all of surehass racing. I think Kevin Harvick will get three and I don't think Al'Ma Rolla wins. It's between BRISCO and custer. I kind of want to say brisk with the dirt, but I don't know. I just feel like custody is going to show something, I like a talent dagger or something, and I feel like shut up. I think Stewart Hoss racing gets four wins after they're terrible start to the season. Yes, Kevin Harvick is seven in points. Yeah, I guess he's. Kevin Harvick that too, but I just have you seen the way they've been running? I mean it's just not been well. He did want shook. He didn't show up to homesteady didn't show up to Vegas at all toward last year. He him and Hamilo dominated the bile in ass. Yeah, and I Wan Harvard isn't really typically been seen him that great at the Spring Ray. So maybe this is just the one race that Harvard just really doesn't hit it. But it's just has fear felt like, even though he's high up in points, he's just hasn't done anything to excite anybody. I feel like if Harvard was going to have the season he had last year, he would have had a win by now. Yeah, I think I could see that. Yeah, I don't think he goes close to that this season. I thought originally he would, but I that I doubt it now. I don't. I just I mean, did he finish a leaftown at homestead? No, no, Vic yeah, no, think I was going to say a bad race there. Yeah, yeah, the two mile and a half. So he hasn't run well. It's really concerns me. But that's basically all my hot takes right now. Other random little takes. McDowell will continue to be McDowell and just drop to thirty and points at twenty two. I think Ryan priests will actually stay top sixteen and points for quite a while. So I think you should want a little too consistent. Um, not much after that. I think that's pretty explainatory. Maybe couple questionable things that I said there, but well, let's not get into that. This is Kiden's thoughts after all. So you know, we can only be as conscious somewhat. You can only be around me. You can't actually know what I think. If you knew what I ever would I don't think we want to know what you thought. Yeah, I think is fantasy. We do have fantasy and we will. We've all got to take our drivers do it. We do have our takes. We will be doing a facetime throughout the week to get our drivers for the next round. So, looking at the points right now, right now I'm one point ahead of Nick, nick is one point ahead of troy and troy is three points ahead of Kaden, who has been very poor. That's best bracket to that is atom. Guess what, you can't have them Againa till the playoffs, any of them. Worst thing about it is if I chose a different driver for each race, I would have won. Yeah, I chose the wrong driver for each race. It's suck.

Good Choice. Yeah, I chose tricks from Daytona road course finish. What eleven bull should beat him. Yeah, and then you doesn't runs third at Miami. That just annoyed me. And then you took Dadny at Miami and he ran eleven. Yeah, should have taken him today. Finished forth to see it not so. For Phoenix, Caden has Lagano, his all time favorite driver, next to Eric Immerolla and chase Elliott, Kyle arson. Totally. I Have Eric Jones, who I took the wrong week, because you'll probably run like twenty next week. Now, great nick has Suarez, who's ran pretty decent so far for the most part. I'd say. Where is that? It's actually twist. That's at the top. Twenty, yeah, two, twenty four, twenty three, yeah, and then Troy has harv ag who was not shown up the season happeny day. I've been saving Harvard for Phoenix. B Nine, time winner, Phoenix, time winner, Phoenix say something at that entering. Didn't show up in is. He's in for alley, but still like nine. Always an excuse with you. Who Does Nike have? Because, as far as that's what I just said. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, okay, please God, just let me. I don't even let me win for you. If Troy can finish last and I can finish first, at least I can tie him or a passing. No, I will tie you, you would tell him. Yeah, that's all I'm with. As long as I don't finish last the season, it's a success. You can't even get the second and points. I need Chris to finish last two times. I just know my Brat, my bracken next week is going to be. So it's gonna be terrible. I already know it. You know your looks gonna be like, all right, I'm just all my luck ran out before, before we even got a quarterway into the season. Yeah, that's how it worse. Typically. I think that's it for fantasy. Then od's on the rice. Overall, they I think it's a nine, no, eight, as at. Not See. I say eight and hey, eight and a half, I think. I think it was just the right mix of great close racing and good strategy. Yeah, we finally got to see like almost old school racing fact back week. Yeah, I know, stages. It was great to watch. Oh yeah, and I mean, I can't lie, the fake package didn't want to make me die this week. Yeah, honestly, you're actually able to pass each other this week. Yeah, took a while to pass, but remember that one. It's like early in the stage where they were running three wide for the lead for like three laps straight. Oh my God, Oh, that was just love fors, like I want to kill myself after watching that. It's not real, Ras, it was. It was good racing. It's just yeah, shut up. Also, also, like Kurt, had a hard time like on like everything, because it's cars, chippy and as see. Do you do you expect any matter? Okay, no, I expect a laugh from curb. But like chastain is water. Vance is like twenty seven and points. act. Now he's like twenty one. Actually, I don't know why I said that. Be Fairy kind of crushed out of both Daytona and well, why would he do that? Just go straight. You gotta sleep. Are Its tears? Chesting is twenty second and points. Is that about it for what we gotta think? Yeah, that's it's about it. Out strow time, outro time. This is poise once day and we're going to have to thank just a little for taking his time today and coming on with us and answering all of our questions and giving us from a lot more insight on what's going on, more midpacking Exprei series this year, which it helped us a lot, kind of. I learned a lot about his career and I appreciate him for coming on. So that I'll do for the podcast. Don't Fret to check me out on instagram. than ask your hot sprout for us. Don't forget to subscribe. Like, leave review comment, don't dislike. You just apple, apple podcast and all that, all that good stuff, and it. Can't wait to see what guests we have on next to you. Come do it. Yeah, do we...

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