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Episode · 11 months ago

Checkereds in the Wind On the First Superstar

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

This week was a bit of a different episode. We had two guests on! First on the episode was David Salazar a well respected wind tunnel engineer at Joe Gibbs Racing and we talk about his adventures that led him to where he now. Then we sit down with the first SRX winner Doug Coby! In between we breakdown the great weekend in Nashville that saw two names that are frequent winners and a surprise trucks series winner!

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To the NASCAR hospital podcast. I'm hers Troy, jumped by Chris, and we have our guests for this week. It is David Salazar. If I said I correctly, I believe I did. She is he works in the wind tunnel. At joke was racing and Um, that's pretty much like the basis of it. Tell us more about kind of what you do, and I'm about yourself. So I've been out of actually working in the NASCAL industry about seventeen years. I worked in one of the wind tunnels for ten years before I went to Joe Gibbs. This is went tunnel called Aerodyne. It's in Mooresville and we tested that one and then we also tested a wind tunnel called wind shear and they're out of Concord. Both tunnels are about twenty to thirty minutes away from the shop but we do most of our testing there. Typically we're in the wind tunnel at least once a week. So I grew up in New Mexico on a Pecan farm of all things. My my dad had a he had a garage and then shift it into an autoparts store and then we had a couple out of part stores are growing up. You know, me and my brothers, we all worked on cars, work, work, work for my dad in the farm and and at the family business. So I was just always surrounded by cars. So I just kind of figured, you know, follow my passion and keep working on them and I always want to be in racing. So I just kind of continue to climb up the ladder until I landed a job at go Joe Gibbs. Oh yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, try like you look like you ever hitting something to say hello right. So, Um, so you mentioned kind of briefly that you you liked racing growing up. was like working in a winter on or like in a shop. Like your first thought when Um kind of trying to get in the racing no, I mean it started young. You know, my dad was really big in the any five hundred. So you know, my youngest memories probably five, six years old. I remember, you know, getting up on Sunday sitting on the couch watching the any five hundred with him, and so ever since I was a kid, I I just kind of gravitated towards that. I raced motocross shifter carts. I was involved in drag racing at the early age involved in dirt track racing at early age and you know me personally, I wanted to drive the cars. That was kind of my passion and is what I wanted to do. But you know, I really didn't have I didn't have a lot of guidance growing up as far as, you know, how to get sponsorship and how to basically go about maintaining a rider or getting a ride, you know, working after school on at high school. You know, I couldn't afford to get a car, but you know, I got as far as I could get realistically. And then one of my friends that a him and his brother continue to race, so I worked for them and I was a crew chief on one of them. I am seeing modified teams through college and so I just I've always just try to position myself. You know, it's like, well, if I couldn't drive in the sport or you know, drive, what could I do? And it was like well, maybe I'll just go to engineering school and and you know, see if I can at least be involved in the sport some way. And that's kind of what I did. You know, I just kind of created a secondary path to do something in the sport. Oh yeah, I say you. Seems like we see a lot of people get involved in the sport and maybe not be able to do the racing itself, like you said, once you get to a certain point. But take us to a little bit of that shifter, cards and Dir biking, because that seems like a huge part of the whole west Western side of the country itself. It is. It was fun. I mean those are probably some of my, you know, best days, I say. You know, we had a lot of fun racing around. You know, we didn't go too far as mainly like Arizona, Texas New Mexico, and yeah, we you know, they they had a go cart series. I was more in a motocross and that was kind of my passion. Kind of back up a little bit, you know, being being a big indie car fan as a kid like that was, you know, that's where I wanted to go when I grew up as like that. That was it. And back in the you know S, when Indie car and when card and IRL split, it kind of ruined the series for me and you know, I really lost interest in that. So then it was you know, I got into motocross and I think I was watching world of outlaw racing a lot and I really hadn't watch any NASCAR racing until two thousand and one. That's my first Maskar race. That actually sat down and watched the the you know, pop race start to finish. My parents have an autopart store. We had a initially we had big auto parts, which probably a lot of people, and you guys part to young to remember this, but big auto parts of a big auto part chain, and in the s day, late s Day, the corporation went...

...bankrupt. So we had to find a new part supplier. So at the time nap auto parts came to my dad and, you know, they wanted to work a field and try to get him on board Napa, so we did. This is probably ninety nine ish ish, and then, you know, my mom woke up one Sunday was like, you know, Michael Waltrip and this new nap a car going to be racing the day coming by hundred and I was just like I'm not, you know, wasn't really in the NASCAR so I was like, okay, I've got nothing else going on, like what's the harm? I'll watch it. So I said down, watched that first race and I mean I'll tell you what like. After that race I was I was like, okay, this was a lot cool than I thought it was going to be. You know, I really enjoyed the race it was and it was one of those it was the the race that they are in. Hard died. So I think just just having something that big happened. Watching the first race, of course I knew, you know, names. I knew dy are and hard rust, you wallace, you know, I know all the big names. I just didn't really pay attention to it. But after that I sort of paying a lot of attention to it. So, you know, racing the you know, backing up then, you know, and I go to shifter cards and dirt racing. Wanted to do that. You know. Yeah, it takes a lot of money to get into the position where you can, you know, either get noticed or try to get a ride. And you know, I think my parents they were more heavily involved in the autopart store and they they were, you know, they weren't really into the racing stuff that I was. So I just didn't have the guidance into like how do you how do you go about, you know, taking the next step? How do you go about getting sponsorship? How do you do all that stuff? So, you know, it's kind of just up to me at that point as to kind of keep going. But yeah, the shift cards are fun. I mean I had a Plasta, was kind of an outlass, outlaw class they called it. So there's really no rules. It was it had to be a single cylinder and it had to go cart tires and go kart chassis and that was really it. There was no right restrictions, no horse power restrictions. So I had a two hundred fifty CC shifter cart and it was kind of a homemade, you know, because it was a dirt cart. So it wasn't you know that you sell. You see the asphalt cards, but it was a I had a made of one of those engines onto a dirt chassis because they're heavily offset for just, you know, always turning left on those. And I think I went to it was Animus, New Mexico one year and the race I think kind of got rained out. It rained all day but we were able to get on the track and hot lap and there was a cop there with a radar gun and he clocked me in a hundred seventeen wle an hour on the on the straight away. So that car was fun. I mean I had to blast in that card. I hate that I ever sold it. Yeah, that's that's a fantasy that I've ever gone in them, you know, regular street car, which we're not going to discuss that much. But uh, but yeah, that's that's quite to speak. Because what those tracks couldn't have been that big. I. It weren't big at all. Know, they weren't, and it was just it basically just a lot of horsepower and you know, if you could get the track to attack up enough to get the power down, because I was part of it, you couldn't even use all the throttle a lot of times. But that track, you know, definitely was a big track, bigger track, and it had the traction. So I was I was able to put down some good laps and then actually I broke the I broke my chassis that race. I couldn't even I think I ran four laps, got that speed and then I broke the cart, so I had to call it back home and fix it. Yeah, ABS a choice. Yeah, okay, so I always I always ask this question to any guests that we have on. Then you mentioned that you mainly watched open wheel racing and some more roll the vowelas growing up. Is there like a certain specific driver that you followed and idolizes? Dan Really I always been attached to kind of yeah, so at a young age, you know, when I was big in the Indie so the greatest thing to come out of New Mexico back then was the answers. So Al Answer, Junior, senior, bobby onser like that was just like man, it was so cool to be you know, because New Mexico is not really known for anything. We do only sports teams. You know, there's not a lot there. So just to have them kind of in our backyard was like really cool for me. Rick Mirrors Danny Sullivan and like I just I couldn't get enough of those guys, you know, just watching them and I thought it was really cool to see that stuff. And then the world of outlaws. You know obviously that Kins are and all the bit you know, the big name is back in the day. Just just love to watch them. But yeah, NASCAR I really didn't have, really didn't have it. You know anybody. I washed until to early two thousands and that's kind of when I got into that. Also, will take us through essay. You said you you were the crew chief for, I think what you said your buddy's modified or this is my life. But yeah, so it was a rhet solid pack and on tone solid pack. His older brother started racing the modified. You know what before we did. He's he's a few years older. So we'd go out and help him and, you know, it really just started out, as you know, scrape and mud off the cars and, you know, keep them clean and you know, just kind of just trying to stay out of the way. Initially, you know, just just I was really wanted to learn, but I didn't want to be in the way. So they're just like well, here's a here's a scraper, go scrape the car and wipe it down, make sure it's, you know, good to go. And then it turned into you know, do entire pressures and in it.

You know, we go to the shop and help them to work on his car and eventually just kept you know, kept evolving. Rhet kept racing and he decided to move up in the modified. So at that point I kind of you know, broke off and went with him. You know, we're he was out out of the same shop and obviously you know we were. We tried to help each other out when we could, but we kept up a little separate. So it was me, you know, we were just kind of some punk kids that really didn't know we're doing and we're asking a lot of questions and just trying to get through it. But I mean there was a while there we're running like top five every weekend, so we were pretty competitive. His brother was winning a lot. We were. You know, it's funny because he's still remembers the three times we beat him. He gives a hard time about that, but we told him, you know, we'd show up an open trailer and that Hell, all these nice trailers and everything and we just show up an open trailer and goes thank everybody. So we thought that was pretty funny back then. Yeah, for sure. I say we had or rerecorded with Doug Kobe a last week, so we definitely got a bit of a modified side of it from, okay, his perspective. For sure. Together we're going to have both of your interview with you and then the interview with him for the same episode when Du's gets released, usually tomorrow. But yeah, so we'll we definitely we definitely got to understand a bit more than modified scene than a lot of people do. Dirt modified. He was ear he is still as fall modified. So okay's definitely two different forms of reason. Yeah, there's still a lot. Yeah, it's very similar, but yet dirt ask all very, you know, very different the way you approach it, I guess. Oh yeah, but then, yeah, we talked about crew chief and what will get you into the door of NASCAR. Then from there. So led to that. Yep, kind of funny story. So, I mean I I you know, knowing that's what I wanted to do when I grew up and, you know, went to college for it. I was kind of at a turn, like a fork in the road, I guess, because I knew the only way to come out here. So I having the my parents had the nap out of part stores and having that tie. My very first NASCAR race I went to was a brickyard four hundred. We went with nap of I forget what it was it was. I think we we were, I don't know, top three in the western United States troop filter sales or something. So we ended up have, you know, getting a trip out there and we got to stay in a suite, which is nice, and Michael Walter came in and talked to, you know, the NAP owners. So I kind of told him aside and picked his brain a little bit. You know, I'm super nervous at this point trying to talk to him but you know, try to get through, and it was just like, you know, this is, you know, what I've been doing my whole life and this is what I want to do the you know, you can you give me an advice on how to kind of like where do I go from here? and honestly I was trying to probe because I hit the time he had like a they call it a you know, Bush team at the time, so I was trying to you know see if I could get involved in his team somehow. But anyways, he he basically said it. You know, if you're really serious about working in the sport, you just have to make the move the Morse. But he said nobody's really going to talk to on the phone, nobody's going to take a resume through the male like you really just have to go beat down everybody's door to do it. So that was it was a little discouraging because it's it is so far from the Mexicalien. It's not a it's not a quick drive. So after college I ended up in Phoenix for about a year thinking that okay, you know, maybe I can find something closer to home to to do instead. And I had a buddy that. His name is Gerard Patten. We kind of raised him grow up. He's a lot you younger than us. So I didn't get a race with him, but he raced. He was racing sprint cars when he was like thirteen years old or something and he ended up out here racing. Why? I helped him. I think we did an arc race in California after college. So, you know, still trying to kind of figure out how to get my foot in the door for that. That was a west coast race and then he ended up getting a truck ride through a team called fiddleback racing and it was more like a just a limited schedule. So he moved out here and he he knew this is what I wanted to do. So he called he's like hey, like, come out here. You can stand on my couch as long as you need, you know, but you need to get out here and, you know, start talking to people and just try to network. So I'm like okay. So I said aside like a month. I think it was a it was August. It was I knew that because it was a I'd missed my brother's birthday. So I flew out here in August and I basically I went to all the teams, all the shops, passed at resumes try to talk to whoever I could end up. Funny thing was in college I did a project where I did a little project in a scale wind tunnel that we had at the university and I was like man, that'd be so cool if there was a wind tunnel that tested nothing but race cars. And at the time there was no wind tunnel that existed. You know that the manufacturers have their wind tunnels, but they're they're mainly automotive and then there's some aeronautical wind tunnels that do like airplane testing and occasionally they'll do, you know, racecar testing. But there was a tunnel in Moors but it opened up Aerodyne and they opened up about right about the time I graduated.

So that's like the job that I really wanted to try to get. I didn't even know what I could do. You know, there I didn't even know what a position they might have available. So I kind of saved that one to the very end because I was, you know, really nervous about getting in there. And I walked in and I asked for Gary Acres, the owner of the wind towel, and typically, you know, try to do my homework on who to ask for, you know, try to try to position myself to get the resume to the right person. And you walk into a big building and there's, you know, receptionists and they tell you, well, you know, we'll give you a will get the resume to who needs to get to and you don't get to talk to anybody. But when I walked in the wind I was like, you know, is Gary Acre here? And he said Yeah, that's me, and I'm like Whoa. So I'm I'm already like thrown back, like wow, I'm actually talking to the man. So we talked and kind of had a little mini interview on the spot, and it was a lucky situation because they were just talking about hiring another operator. So it's kind of one of those, you know, right right place, right time scenarios. I talked to him for, you know, few hours and it went well. I came back to New Mexico and I didn't hear anything for probably three weeks and I was pretty discouraged. Old Man, you know, I thought it went better than that and he finally called offered me a job and I packed up and I had it out and you know the rest of the sister I've been I've been doing the same thing for about seventeen years and so are. Yeah, yeah, so you I. that's another thing that you hear about with a lot of expressily, with getting in the NASCAR. It's a lot of everyone's sleeping on each other's couches. For sure. It is a lot about network and I when I when I worked at the Wind Timeel, I actually run we had a two wind tunnel when I ran one of them, and I'd get a lot of resumes, you know, from college kids and stuff, and it's I kind of try to give them the same advice that people gave me, as like, you know you really want to do it, if you really want to work in the sport, you know, you just have to get out here and and try to network. That's that's really what it's about. It's it's definitely would a plan on doing. I'm actually going to school right now and hold different level of the whole sport in general, but I'm going to school for sports casting right now. I'm like, okay, I'm like some of the guys are starting to get a little older. You need a media to light. Yeah, they need some youth. But yeah, yeah, it's definitely a it's been yeah, been fun so far. Nice, but uh, trut. You got anything right now? Yeah, so let's just kind of skip to three or years of being I just had to bring Fart my bad he looking for let's let's yeah, yeah, let's skip through the years of your experience in a went tunnel and what was it like? kind of what was the process of like getting into joke, who was racing and like all that. So the process, I would say, you know, working in the wind tunnel definitely helped because I didn't have an Arrow background. I hadn't you know, I got a degree in mechanical engineering. I did take some fluid classes which kind of touched on Arrow but not really. So Gary Acre and a guy named Gary Romberg. If you do a little research on Gary Romberg, your point some cool stuff on him. He worked for Christler for a long time. Both both of them. Gary Acre started in the GM went tunnel and Gary Romberg worked actually a help design the Christler went tunnel. So everything I learned, you know, I kind of learned from them just asking a lot of questions. They taught me. God, they tell me so much stuff, you know, a lot of stuff. I can even remember. They taught me some much stuff. And there the top people they would just, you know, they would totally tear, you know, wipe down a whiteboard and just start writing equations and if you want to do this, this is the equation for it. I mean they're just they could just spit that stuff out like like it was nothing for them. So I mean I definitely learned a lot from them. And over the years, you know, there were several teams that kind of approached me, you know, asking if I would, you know, want to switch jobs to go work for them. And it's the Nice thing about working at the wind tunnel was it was a job. Security for me, is like I knew that as long as I wanted to be there, I had a job. And in racing, especially in Nascar, you know, it's very cutthroat. You know, one day you have a job, the next day you don't. So I didn't want to be a part of that process of just, you know, constantly moving from team to team. So I turned a few jobs down. Red Bull was one I almost took and I'm glad I didn't because it was the same thing. I was asking about a contract and they're like well, you know, mate, we do a year and but we don't know what's going to happen after that. And sure enough the team folded. So I'm, you know, glad I didn't take you know, didn't didn't get that job. And Gary was nice enough that he you know, I would talk to him. He's very open and if you know, like when red bull was asking, I said, you know, I talked to Gary and I said, Hey, look, red bulls wants to talk to me. I'd like to just at least her himount and he was one hundred percent fine with it. So we had a good communication on that side. And then my boss, now his named Patrick can not. He actually called Gary and was looking for somebody and after he told Pat Gary what he was...

...looking for, Gary called me in his office and he's like Hey, Patrick Gibbs is looking for, you know, this candidate, and he told me what they were looking for and he said, I think you'd be a good fit for it. So, you know, my former boss is kind of the one that helped me get the get the job in the gift. So I was very fortunate to have a have somebody like that that, you know, pushed me enough and was helpful enough to help me kind of, you know, progress my career along so that it was really neat to work for something like that. And then I knew people that work gibbs in same thing. It was like, you know, they've been there ten, fifteen years and it's like man, this place is great. You know, they care about employees. They don't you know, they don't like to you know, they don't like the turnaround. So I felt like it was a good situation to be and, you know, I felt like I could have long givity there. So I reached out to Patrick and, you know, we had an interview and yeah, you know, kind of same thing rest the history. I've been doing it, but almost seven years now with gifts. Yeah, that's that's great. So, like how different like the atmosphere from where you were to gibbs? Like was there like kind of more like competitive atmosphere? Was it? Kind of how was it? So I've been fortunate to in the fact that I've, you know, at the wind tunnel, I works the really good group of guys and then when I got to group gives just like, you know, equally just as good a group of guys. So it was really an easy transition to come in. I felt like everybody just, you know, welcome me right away. But it was a lot of work. I mean it was, you know, the wind tunnel, Gary was kind of big on. You know, we're working forty hours a week and then we get to gibbs and it's like, you know, we worked six to five and you know, sometimes we're in the on the weekends trying to catch up. So it was it was definitely a lot of work for me, but it is same thing as it's so rewarding, because it's like, you know, my whole life is like that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to work on, you know, Cup cars, and here I am working on Cup cars. So, you know, to me it's been a job that I've never woke up in the morning and not want to be be at work. Like I wake up every morning and I want to go I don't care if it's a ten hour day, twelve hour day. I mean we've had twenty four hour days in the wind tunnel. Rob I mean I'm up twenty four hours literally testing in the Wind Tel and to me it's just like this is awesome, like I love it. So that side was a little different. The competitive side is, you know, it's different from the wind tunnels because, you know, the wind tunnel we're just providing data, but it gives you know, we're actually looking for stuff, we're looking for speed. So that was a little different. But it's a lot of people they're just, you know, x raciers. So for me it was just, you know, it's just being around competitive people, which I'm super competitive to even with myself. So it was just it was nice to have that and it's nice to see like when we when we find stuff in the wind tunnel or, you know, we find some performance. You know, we don't we don't have like a yearly report or a quarterly reporter or we have weekly reports. You know, when we find something, we take to the track and we know right then, you know, did this work or not? So it's neat. It's neat to see that that your work is like just getting out there and and getting on track right away. So that's been been next to seeing. Yeah, and how is like the I'm sorry to like stay or crushing or not a question by the players? o. It all depends and if you're about to see my question and that it will see, think I so. First off, how how have they listen? Learning curves, like, how much more do you do learn at gibbs than from what you were at before? It wasn't a it wasn't a super big learning curred because it was what I was normally used to doing and in a wind tunnel. I was just now at a team and then I was responsible for helping them go to the wind tunnel. So it's it's already stuff. I understood. It was neat because there's the resources that gives are a lot deeper. You know, we have machine shops, we've got D printers, so it's like whatever you want to do, you can kind of dream it up and do it, I mean within reason. But that was neat because at the wind tunnel, you know, and it gives to him and it cost it. You know, you still have to think of cost, but you know, we didn't have that stuff at the wind. Almost anytime we wanted to developer, build or design something, you know, we had to go to an outside party to get stuff machined, gets parts made. Were it gives just like if I need to go well something up, they've got ten welder's over there's go, you know, go do it. They got machines we can use, they got joe press has lais, I mean they got paint boots. So anything you need is like you can get it done. So that was really neat to do because you can just do a lot of cool stuff. And then, since Troy didn't see my question, I really thought he was going to go that route, but it does kind of relate to it in a sense. How did, or if you guys have been able to get your hands on the next Gen car, how different is that compared to the Gen six? Yep, so every all the teams have now got their hands on one. It's a definitely a different beast in the gen six car. You know, they're still working out a lot...

...of bugs in it. We'll see what happens next year, but it yeah, it's they're taking it and I'm not sure how much you guys know about the car. But basically what they're doing is they're taking a lot of ingenuity out of the team's hands. So now really what we're doing if we're buying parts and pieces from vendors and basically both in a car together and taking it to the track. So they're you know, NASCAR is always trying to keep the competition, excuse me, a level in their playing field. You know, they in their mind they would love to have just forty cars on track that are forty identical cars and then it you know, it's up to the driver to have to to be able to perform. But in anything that we do, like with racing it, if we have a budget, you know we're going to try to figure out a way, you know, to get performance. If they ban went teel testing with that, they're just going to take that budget and put it into CFD or or find some way to find a performance. So you know, the cream always rises the top. The best teams with the money and the best people and resources are definitely going to be the top team. You know, every weekend and it shows you every time they may change the rules package and they try to make it more level for the playing field. You know, you see the same, same teams running up front. So it I feel like it doesn't matter what they give us to race. You know, they could give us a soap box derby car. You know we're going to go to work on it in the best team is going to come out ahead. So it's it's kind of the same situation with this new car coming out. I believes it definitely looks like it's going to create some maybe it doesn't create as much of the fun opportunity for teams, but it will create it for the fans at least. To Yeah, hopefully everything the game. You know, you obviously you know we all want them to succeed. We want this car to be a success. So we want to see it do well on the track. But it's one of those things, you know, without a lot of testing, we just we just don't know. Once you get a lot of cars out there running close proximity bet to each other, we don't know how it's going to react. So they definitely need to get the cars on track with other drivers and you know, so we start working on how to dial it in. So I'm sure you guys will be a calculating each and every move that's made once there are, once we do get a multiple cars on track all at the same time and all that. Ye, sure you get you got anything? Had a question. I forgot it. You Forget it second time, second time. So so how many? How many guys are you working with in a wind tunnel? How many guys can you like bounce ideas off of the like kind of work with? So now, now it's kind of funny. We actually have a roster where only so many people can go to the wind tunnel. So they've limited us on how many people we can actually take to the tunnel, which is seven people. So it's a pretty small group that we work with, you know, but you have kind of you have guys that kind of specialize in their own thing. You know, you got fabricators. You guys that can have, you know, do programming. You know we get a lot of it, you know, a lot of date and try to understand that data. You know, we have to analyze it pretty quick. So you have guys that can can put it up on servers and you know, you guys have can can do other things that help out of the wind tune of the gathered data on the data side, the data collection side. You know, I do a lot of instrumentation, so we can get a lot of like pressure tab beata skies, a limit on that stuff, you know, as as far as what information you can get. And then, yeah, then you got to work with teams on, you know, what are what are they looking for? Where the drivers need, you know, is there something we can do to help help them on track, you know, find a certain grip level, of balance level they're looking for. So there's a lot of information that goes on during the week to try to figure out what we're going to do and then obviously working within the rules. Say, say, you mentioned rules and we've had many different rules packages over the past seven years since you said yeah, that's all long you said you've been at Gibbs. Which one do you think was your was your favorite to get your hands on? And then I think back in like fifteen when they were when they were kind of going back and forth between the lowdown force and Hie Down Force packages. I feel like we did really well that year and it was just we I like the lowdown force High Horse Bower package. I think that's just, you know, if you want to give a drive, you want it to be under the driver. Make him learn it. You know, these new fifty packages where they're just who can hold it down on the floor. I mean that's not racing. It's, you know, tige speed chest. Give these guys horse power, give them low down force and let them have at it. That's kind of that's that's why I feel about it, that I think that high speed chess sums it up very well. Yeah, terms of that. Yeah, we've we definitely aren't fans of the five fifty you package and have shared our displeasure of many of times. Yeah,...

...it's, you know, Daytona until the day you're kind of their own beast and I enjoy the plate racing. I think it's interesting, it's you know, it's it's I think it just because it's more intense the whole time. It's not, you know, you don't have to watch twenty laps and wait till the last twenty laps to seem racing again. It's I feel like there's just something always going on and that's kind of their intent with the five fifty packet. I think it's just trying to get pack racing it, you know, at all the tracks and it just it's just not as good as they come and tell a vegas. So I feel like they need to kind of go back to the high horse power, lowdown force. Make them work for it, you know, make them make tires wear off quick to our tires matter. You know, the pitch strategy stuff. You know, I hate when somebody takes two tires and then goes and wins a race. It's like, okay, good job in the pit, but you know, maybe weren't the fastest on the track. You just got a good call at the end. So I like to see it settled out on the track. Yeah, we've definitely seen the fair share of strategies work out in the fifty package, but no, the seven hundred and fifty. I mean we saw it just yesterday. We've seen it at a couple of checks so far. With the seven hundred and fifty package. You got to be up on the wheel at all times and managing your stuff, for sure. Yep. Make them earn their paychecks, to get paid a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, it's insane. Yep, sure, you look like now. Yeah, I had a process them. You gotta process something and Think, Oh man, well, I don't know that. Are you? Who? Who? Who knows Alex. I did srow those. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm out of F time. My wife, that's hers out of the family. So I just saw him that weekend, couple weekends ago a birthday party. Were in town. About what you guys do? That's pretty cool. Yeah, we we used to live across the street from Alex and shelling them. Okay, so we're really close from learning my family. Yeah. Yeah, so we're quite a few states apart. Yes, I'm from Michigan and I've done troy for a couple of years down. So that's okay. Oh, so you're us? Yeah, yeah, I've been Michigan Right now. Yeah, that's definitely podcast like this. Oh yeah, definitely. It was something that we pondered for like a couple of weeks and they were like all right, you know, let's just do it. Let's try it right out. Yeah, so we've been doing this for about a year now. Okay. So, yeah, I looked it up. I saw you guys have a lot of a lot of podcast that's pretty cool. Yeah, it sound pretty sweet. For the most fuck most of us, it's, you know, it's for the most part. Yeah, I's say. We'll have some weeks were just like but you know, besides that, we we've found some honestly, and include a you too, because there's been some things that you said that I'm just like wow. But just about every single guests, maybe outside of our first guess that we had, but besides him, it's been a blast to have people on each week. Like yeah, a lot of fun, but you just you learned so much about people you know, especially people that you know you don't really know they're the background or where they, you know, came from or how they got to where they are, and there's just, yeah, there's so many cool stories, you know, floating out there. So it's cool that you guys are kind of documenting the stuff. So it's kind of up there. everybuddy. Yeah, I say we yeah, Hope. So I try. I try to go for most of like everyone's like, Oh, get a driver, get a driver, but I try to like I kind of like go all around, like the call around Nascar. You know. We've had pit crew numbers, we have crew cheats, we've had it. Now you that works in a wind tunnel. We've try to go all around with people whoever. Yeah, no, it's get enough pressed to work. I feel like if you're in the sport you kind of everybody's kind of heard the story. They all know their story. So you know, kind of getting people that aren't in the spotlight. It's kind of cool just because you see the variety of there. You know everybody where they came from. You know, different states all over the country. You know growing up doing, you know, all kind of stuff, let's say. Yeah, we've even we'll just this year we've had a Alix Labay in the exfinity series and now we've had a James Davison on here too, and he was he was a lot of fun to talk to. That was yeah, that one was he definitely got to get a whole different experience with him also having some indie or limited indie car background in yeah, I'm from Australia, so that was definitely. Yeah, that's a really different racing over there. So Oh, yeah, they definitely have their different qurks that they all have. It's it's honestly a blast each week to just be a little yeah, I feel like everybody that works, you know, mainly everybody that works in the racing instry, you know they're just they're just a bunch of old raciers. That that's you know, they love to do it and they're just competitive and you know, I feel like they're all a great group of guys. You know what's gets known? Yeah, I say we've a then Troy Menson's pick crew. We've we had Durell Edwards, who's on bells and the fifty four car and exfinity. So we had him on too. So that was that was fun to talk to him. Yeah, East and Oh, yeah, they're crazy. Yeah, we had a we had Ryan sparks and he was just like yeah, I don't know if you'd want to get any of the crew members on. I kind of work with a bunch of...

...the scoundrels. I'm like open, but I don't know shred you got. I'm thinking I don't have any more now much. Well, let's say, where's it going to go? Oh, let's say give him the probably lack of trek or week it weekends at the trek. If you do have any fun or interesting moments that you do remember from the track? That's usually a question we like to ask everyone. So I've kind of been fortunate. When I first moved out here, I did want to be like on a pit crew. I wanted to travel. And then, once I started to get to know people, some of you know, good friends are on pit crews and it's like and they're gone like Thursday through Monday morning, basically time they get home, and that's, you know, thirty six weeks a year. So they're on the road all the time. So I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to go to the track very often. You know, we'd go maybe driving distance, you know, back before covid you know, we'd go to, you know, Atlanta or Charlotte or, you know, Bristol. Some of those tracks are kind of they're easy to get to, mainly just because you can kind of go suits me to see and then you can get back home. So I don't have any I don't have any, unfortunately, crazy or fun storage with Naskar. I mean, if you go back to the old dirt days, there's a lot of stories that probably shouldn't be repeated. So we definitely had a lot of fun back in those days. You know, we were serious about the racing, but we're also, you know, we're bunch of college kids, so we had a good time. So yeah, we just we definitely lift it up. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, well then it's that one. Our last thing we should look to do if you want to shout out your social media's in case anyone wants to follow you and get updates on that perspective. All right, Yep, instagram is a at went tunnel Dave. Twitter's at one tunnel Dave and then stay. It sells our on facebook. Easy enough. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's back when, I think when twitter started, there was kind of trying to come up with like clever names. And did you guys ever know a show called that went tunnel with Dave to Spain? Yep, yeah, and I was kind of like our, you know, went tunnel day. So that's kind of like over. That has been a bit long opportunity was there. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's where that came from. Yeah, it's definitely been great to have you on here and yeah, it's a understand a lot of the whole background of what you said. Yeah, not a problem. Is A lot. Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of information. Like you know, pretty passion about the wind tunnel stuff, having worked in one for a long time, and there's a lot of information. I wish that. You know, people, some people always really curious about wind tunnels and you know, they think that we just go in there and blow smoke on a car and it's like no, like that's the lot, like that's the last thing we do. So I do wish that there was a lot of information that that, you know, you could tell people and but unfortunately, you know, teams pay so much money for this information that it's kind of a close guard secret. So you could probably give up, you know, having somebody give up their firstborn child before they give up their wind tunnel data. So yeah, that's what true said. You can't talked about a lot of cool things, but you know, it's definitely cool work to get to do this kind of stuff. Yeah, but trey mentioned that there were probably some questions that we can ask. I'm just like, all right, I'll keep to the boys exact question right away, like especially when they hear like specially other races like them, they're like you get to hear you work in a winter of like what I need to do here and how do I do this and what do I do? And it's like no, no, no, I can't, I can't answer that. Like I can generally talk about stuff. You know, when I work at a too, we did a we did some cool stuff, like we had the USA bobsled team in. We like Lands Armstrong. We had a lot of procyclists, land speed cars like that kind of stuff. was really cool and there's there's a lot of press. You go out there and look up some of that stuff on a to there's a lot of, you know, cool videos and stuff. You can find on youtube the kind of same thing. It doesn't really give out the data, but it's at least more videos and pictures and stuff. That's kind of coal to see that kind of stuff. For sure, mice, but well, I think, I think that will about do it then. Yeah, yeah, I think that's that it Um. Thank you very much for a come on and spend your time over here and telling us more about you. Kind of absolutely the driving me in out. Good luck with Europe, with your endeavors. They can't thank you all right, thanks, guys. Thank you. See. Yeah, yeah, so do you want to? We don't have to do like actual summ reason a that, but you want us kind of not not really much happen in truck exfinity. We can kind of touch on gold, China, bit drugs. John Hunter just didn't show up. Like I don't know what the hell happened there. Now is from weird from practice and then qualifying his whatever the hell that was. Um, did you see that at all? No, no, okay. So he went around to go to his qualifying lab but...

...before he took the green he stopped because he didn't like the way he got out of four. So he turned around, but he went all the way back around the track. Yeah, if we want it, if you wanted to reset, he had to go down pit road. So when he came around and did his lap, Nascar informed them and everyone that his lap was disqualified. Gonna do the proper way. Yeah, I mean that. We saw a couple people out on social media be like in this is why we should have qualifying every week. But you know, yeah, yeah, but Um, yeah, that's there's a lot of news to talk about. It was a lot of yeah, there were. Last week was a huge week for crazy news and the guys on dvc definitely called it for sure because they, I think Bret Griffin, was like, oh no, this is gonna be a huge week in news. So yeah, we had a little peek at like the kind of like the press conferences that were scheduled for like Friday Saturday and it was like announcement for GMS. Yeah right, says kind I kind of get there. So GMS is going to cup. I don't like the idea of it for them, I'm gonna be honest with you. It backfire down them when they went to exfinity series for that year. Two. Yeah, then when they came back to trucks, they struggled for another year too, until I finish here, or so I hope they like really like if we're going to go to cup, even part time, which I think that's what they're thinking. I think if they want to go to the cup, they have to downsize their truck to like two trucks and they can maybe like a third part time. They there's no way they're running what they're doing now for from trucks a week, yeah, have and having a part Time Cup team. No. There were a lot of speculations, of course. I think there was a rumor that showed them created was moving up to some place after this year and maybe that's where's going to go. So that leaves to truck open that they could close down maybe since the of there's a clear like a sponsorship there in the to truck. Yeah, but his his granddad kind of kind of fills that. Yeah, he's kind of he's kind of supporting GMS. Yeah, and then set Smith, I bet, will stay, and you know, tyl acrimin ain't going, so I was he's probably that after this year and that kind of leaves that Leaves Chase Pretty and Jack would yeah, I want to be a private of Jack Wood goes to the twenty. Three, since she's what's doing really bad. She's pretty, so bad this I think he isn't. He doesn't have a top ten. Ye, I don't think I don't think so. I will double check that right now actually for you. So let's check that out. Chase Pretty, she's pretty. Oh my God, he's twenty in points. He does not have a top ten. Wolf. Yeah, yeahikes, Um Parkerd Clingerman, with one more solid run, will pass him in points. Oh my God, he's run like what four or five races this year? Six races. See, Pretty's twelve. Oh my God, Raphael, the startist, still ahead of him in points. Gee, is this says? I okay, I hope. Here's what I hope. With GMS next year. That one cup ride. I hope it's split between Sheldon creed and Zane Smith and I hope it's part time. And then I hope those who are still running trucks, and so is Jack would, or whatever rotation they do, with a third truck. They don't need to have a fourth truck out there. They don't need to have a fifth truck out there. The only reason they need to even have a third or fourth truck is if, yes, Jack would or cup guys to wet racer too. I think that would be the smart move for GMS. Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I agree with that. Um. Speaking of GMS, we kind of went over this in the day and the Doug Kobe interview and we asked some yeah, we we had we had two different questions. We had a question of why hasn't it really gone a national series and then we had a question about like a tracky wand to race a and Bristol is one of them. And this guy, literally one day later after interview, Doug Kobe, Racing Bristol with GMS in a truck series. That's it's so cool, but like, I wish we could have gotten that news first out of it. Sweet, but obviously we get why he kild he coulddn't announce anything, but you know, was I...

...gonna go with that. Oh, it's like he talked about how as her actually kind of a could keep his lips three months, like three months. Yeah, it's like, damn it. Yeah, that that's huge. From now he's been racing for like almost twenty years and he's finally got on. I mean it's one race, but like Sean notion series, sometimes that's all you need. Sometimes Sam are capitalize it on. Yeah, we saw it happened. yeahtremely well for him. I mean we saw it this or this year. Would Josh Barry. Granted, he had run all but one race up until then, but still, it's it's big. Speaking of we're going to go one bigger. Calling racing announce their plans for next year. They have bought two charters, both through spire. Justin Haley's gonna be fulltime, a g all winingers in the part time and the to the two charters are from spire motor sports, one from the track house ninety nine, which was least, and then the seventy seven car. And that that's pretty much the news. That unfortunate. I don't love it's really yeah, it's unfortunate for Suarez, but, like I think they'll be doing a seventy seven part time next year. I don't know that would be the smartest yeah. Yeah, there's no way that spires going to go down to one car, not for the entire year and now not for an entire year. But Joy Jos in to keep his charter. Yeah, I um, I think this is again look in the same route as GMS. You're going to have two full time cars. How many cars do you run an ex affinity? Do you run three? Do you run too? I think they would run too. And then a third part time car because whenever Hayley would want to run those exfinity races, because you'd have let's say almondinger is going to be full time and exfinity again. Let's just say that's that's why it is. You probably have Jett Burton again, right, and then what do you do with that? I think the smart thing to do would be to make that third car part time, if not exist at all. I think that's that's the smartest move. Put Jeb I, Don Leave Jebb in a ten and then AJ in the sixteen. Yeah, AJ in the sixteen, and then like all the sponsors from like the eleven car and everything. You know, Lee filter. They're probably going to follow Haley. Yeah, yeah, well, they're in a follow hey, but I got they get all sport. Jeb a little bit too. Yeah, J has sponsorshit problems this year. That could help them next year with them closing down whole car. I think that'd be a smart decision as well. Yeah, for sure. And then do we wish to talk about? Say, because I see them hit the dirt for the first time? Yeahs so exide of race to at the dirt and Knoxville this weekend and I cannot disappointed all got such a great it was. I was greatly Rais. Yeah, it was a great race. I don't have nothing in complaining about. portracy probably hit the wall like sixteen times out, even on the race star. He was just like dude, he will see hit the wall at every restart. I think almost that. It's crazy. Shout out to any Francis Jr and Haley deagan. I definitely didn't think. I didn't think Hayley was going to compete with them. I I I had a feeling. She she could be somewhat all right, like six, but no, she was running second and third like the entire thing. Yeah, because because no one else really has that much dirt experience. I mean even with the shen she has like the slightest dirt experience, like a lot of other guys have a lot less. Yeah, Ernie Frances definitely showed up. Michael Watson did to him was a one damn thing. That was crazy. I wish you on that. That's the whole thing. He was closed with like twenty to ago. He was right on. Yeah, and then Deagan and Ernie Francis got by and those two and Tony Stewart checked out from the rest of them. But uh no, they're two weeks in a row. SREX is just killing it, dude, absolutely killing it by the bar. Oh yeah, and then next week they'll be going to Tony, Tony's track, so we'll see if he can go to in a row. I think I'll got a two in a row easily. Yeah, I don't see anyone coming close again, although Dagan will be racing that race to I'm pretty sure. So she'll have another week in the cars, so who knows? Ye,...

...she could compete with him. That'd be interesting, Dude. where she wins an srx race before she was struck. Oh my God, that'd be daddy crazy. Honestly, though, ainst she's not like Becker, but someone say that. How? Someone say that out loud? WHO said that? Say what I mean. Get we kind of seeking her. She ran the exfinity race, the truck, yeah, decker, and then the only there's only one thing to note from that. I boysh gets one, one hundred. That's about it. WHOO, WHO NASCAR, NASCAR. We did not really touch on Ryan priests winning this first truck star. That is that was a really good finished routeen Giln and finger and priest priests. Yeah, Dude, I was. I was hoping todd was going to went. Ah, I was hoping finger just for the story. But, like, I know, I didn't want say he's having yeah, kicked out of his full time ride and we just making the most like every single start. Well, yeah, I get that a hundred percent, but at the same time it's kind of like I wanted todd to win. Yeah, I had to show some fanfare on that way, but uh no, that was that was excellent racing. I thought when Todd was gonna get by priests that and fingers next up and todd was going to get away. But then Gil and and pretest kind of both had like a situation in one of the corners and priest got to his outside and got back around him to where he was able to hunt down and finger and that was just a damn but but, uh no, perhaps the priest, he's got a truck, win now and especially in his first, first truck race. I and someone try to compare them to Casey Kane and I must went off that. I decide to be polite. Sorry, if you can see this, Dude. Now move this Sunday, where Erica Morola won the pole. Yeah, we're gonna believe it either. Um, yeah, actually, you was actually some. You wasn't competitive, but he was top ten. Al Ray, so props to him. He did better than I expected, even after a poll. Yeah, what did you get yet? A like six? No, no, like five or fourth or something like that. Yep, fit, you got fourth, he got. For Course Chase got DQ. But now chase wasn't up there regardless at that point. Yeah, he was through finish like thirteen. Yeah, but uh no, ProMIS er, Kamo Rolief. I put a hair together, a lot of there's a lot of guys to touch, a lot of order Ross chests. Second, yeah, we get stupar it over a Larson. Yeah, Larsen dominated guys, by the way, in case you didn't know. Yeah, he won the race like two hundred and sixty four laps right rob chest and got second. Stead House was top finals day. Dude. I thought he was going to be the one guy to threaten Larsen all day. Dude, at one point he looked like he was the guy to compete with him. I was where the hell is this coming from? But no, Suarez then finished seven as much needed. Kurt Bush had really good yeah, finally, Bro they actually ran out with like a lap and half to go. Yeah, and then the caught the car. Were sponttering after that. And Christopher Bell, finally, it is his first good race and like all my four months. Yeah, he didn't shot up until the end. I mean ninth problems to him. Kyle Bush, what even happened at car? It would just handling. It wouldn't off the deepen with handling, and then is came back for eleven. In any call his car bucket of crap him one point. Yeah, Oh my God, Ryan Newman, top fifteen. Props to him. Cool coil joy. Dude. I was so happy when I saw that because, like I obviously the they didn't touch on anyone beyond twelve, basically the entire race. But Dude, I was like watching. I was like, okay, I see him on the leaderboard. Oh, sixty, let's go, let's go. Absolute dubs. Right behind him, Anthony Alfredo. I mean, props to him. Top Twenty, top twenty all day. He had that speed all day. Yeah, I shows again how much practice the qualifying helps you. To the rookies, I mean that's about it. I mean gibbs sucked all day. Dude. They were no there were no shows until the very end. I mean Kyle looked good for the most part and Denny, Daddy, was running like eight the good yea the race. Yeah, J Yally got screwed out of the top twenty five by a flat tire and stuff like. Yeah, and Dude, there was one point did he restart like sixth? He restarted like ten every ten. Yeah, I saw what, kind of saw the speed on the lead lap.

I saw this speed kind of because at some point Freddy was undemed. Someone got under him and down the front streights like he was still like side by side, like his straight away speed was like right there. It was crazy to watch and I was looking at I'm like, I flit, like this is normal, but like doesn't look normal. Like Jjal, he's like side dropping this guy. Thirty one was chase BRISCO he was top five, I mean strategy, but like he was like top for skill. was having such a day. And then breaks, which you was a really frequent topic. It killed the Chris Busher and Ryan Blaney. Yeah, one worse than then good old Quinn House. On the first lap, Star come racing. Yeah, Dude, how the hell? What do we even know? What, if did they just not have the Lug Ni Sim heard, I know even happen. Like what, how did they even work? Do you justnopog? That's on the beginning. I I turned the race on and it was lap three and therey just going back green. I'm like, what happened? What? I don't know. I don't know, but that definitely shook up the shook up the old points. Yeah, especially they Christ Busher, he lost. Bob Potker, city lost thirty nine points, which is a it was huge to both skirt Bush and stenhouse. Sent us is still a good ways back. I mean Sporz also kind of benefited since he got second in Stage one. Ended up after the DQ. That was it's a big points game. I mean Ross chest states performance lately. I mean I think he could definitely big intended for the playoffs now. I think we could start talking about him. You want to know the scary thing? But say those four or five guys, busher through chastain, pull off some miracle and win races, Larsen Wins One more race or you know, does Larsen things? Denny Hamlin won't make the playoffs because Larsen's Larsen's only ten points behind denny. If Denny does not get a win and there's some miracle magic that goes on behind him, denny would not make the playoffs. Well, hold that. Larsen is only ten points behind Denny Hamlin damber when denny was untouchable at his like eighty five point gap. Yeah, there's a legitimate chance of Danny does not win and these other guys do. Because you gotta remember harvk still hasn't one yet. Austin Dylan so is a one yet. Always point out Kurt Bush still hasn't gotten his one win in the season yet. So there's three more wins right. So that puts the cutoff marker at A. It'd be what, Reddick, Reddick over Busher. I forgot. I do have a David Dammy's like he said, I forgot a good racing story and he could share it right now, right now. Yeah, yeah, if you wants to hop back on, he just message you. M Okay. So back with the playoffs. What was it? I got to see how much the playoff was before the race. One second it was sixty points between a busher and the BEDEDETTO and now it's only twenty four between Buscher and Kurt Bush. Yeah, depend had a shit day to yeah, he lost some cylinders. So that's a huge change in the that's a huge change in the playoffs. Kurt wins, he's got that one bonus point. We know how much. We know how much one point literally means in the playoffs. We saw it last year. Yeah, Kevin Harvard Right. Anyway, I think as it's not a bad effort the weekend. I think that's about it for the weekend. was there any news that broke today. No, there was no. Now, Hey, welcome back. So I was like, I was we're serving dinner and I was like man, I wish I had a you know, I kind of a brain fart moment. You guys asked about a racing story. Yeah, did you see the Big du I just sent you, Dad, I did see. I didn't get that picture. I'll send it over to Chris to okay, so maybe said over Christ and I'll I'll tell you guys about it. Which one are you guys? Send it down. Oh, text, I'm as Oh geezus. Okay, all right, this is Oh boy, oh boy, this is a good one. So, Um, this was a in Phoenix at a track called Manzonia speedway, which is like the coolest dirt track I've ever been to. It was a half mile dirt...

...track, super fast. There was a junk yard between turns three and four and they used to always tell the drivers. I don't know if they were joking or serious, but they were like in a sprint car. I mean it was it was very, you know, easy. You could easily clear the fence and land up in the junkyard and they would tell the drivers. If you end up in the junkyard. Either you can get out of your car, get out quick and get, you know, get up as the high as you can and if not, just stay in your car and then that you know that the guy come out and let the let the dogs off. So I'm not sure if that was the scare of the drivers. Are Not, but that was always a big joke. But anyways, this was at the end of the year. We went to a pretty big show there and I can't remember. Can remember what year it had to be. Probably Gosh, this was probably in two thousand and two ISH, I bet. And this the picture I just sent you. That was in the Heat Ray. So I mean that was lap one, turn one. They go barreling off in the corner and I don't know what happened, but somebody, somebody's messed up and got into somebody in the whole pretty much the whole heat race got wadded up in the in turn one and the driver you see getting out of the blue helmet, that's right. That's the guy that I was crew cheating for. So he ended up on top of the pile and he were like man like. You know, we're just lucky. Everybody's okay, like nobody got hurt. The cars. Believe it or not, the cars weren't damaged other than some body work. So we got the car code back the pits, we got it fixed in. This was a two day show, so if you didn't qualify, you know, the first day, you had to go through the whole process again the next day. After that wreck, we just start in the back of everything, you know, and we ended up working our way up and we qualified for the second night show that night and we went back to the hotel parking lot and I mean we're we stripped the body off that thing and we're running over the panels with the truck, you know, trying to straighten everything out, and we got the car fixed. We got everything done, got back to the race the next day and I think we ended up finishing second in that race, and it was a pretty big race at the end of the year. So I think for me that was just the coolest, you know, to be under so much pressure and to come out, you know, with the second place when after all that, I thought that was pretty cool. That is a crazy story. That is insane. What that is insane. Wow. Yeah, wow, about that picture, because it's hard to believe and it's even harder to tell, like how all those cars ended up like that. Yeah, that is nuts. Yeah, yeah, the definitely the junk arry story. I thought you I thought you were going to say one of you guys ended up in there too. I thought that's where that was going. I never saw anybody and I've seen, you know, videos, you know watching it on TV. I've seen people end up in the junkyard but I've never been there when somebody has. That track was fast enough. That though that it wasn't that time, but we went another time and one of my good friends, Josh Byre, his Dad Donnie Byre, he was racing and he got a crup. No, he wasn't in a crush. She was. He was running and somebody flipped in front of him and they were flipping high enough down the back straight away that he went underneath their car. Speed are so hither it was. It was a fast track. It was a lot of fun and I think they ended up turning it down and building houses, which sucks because it was a really cool track to go see. That was probably a safety reason at some point. Two at that point, because, yeah, if you say they're probably carrying. You see someone that drove under another car? Yeah, while those flipping. So they got to be killing some serious bottle lighter of that car. Yo. Wow. So, yeah, but anyway, I thought I'd share that story with you, guys. That was a pretty, pretty cool story. Hey, thank you, freciated share. You very much for that. Yeah, not a Broup, guys. Yeah, have a good you do, you do. Thanks. So here he is and the first winner of the new superstar racing experience, Doug Kobe. Here's one and Stafford this past weekend, and he is also a sixtime champion in the wheel and modified series. So how you doing? I'm good, just kind of enjoying the week and doing some work, getting ready for our next modified tour race, that river head on Saturday, and kind of soaking in all of the old srx atmosphere and all the fun stuff that comes along with that. Yeah, I was I was listening to dvc actually earlier today. So I was listening to your interview with those guys and they had some great questions and interesting comments and your replies are just awesome to that too. Thanks. I mean, I go way back with Freddie, back to pretty much the beginning of my career on the modified tour is probably close to his beginnings on the modified tour to and he's a good dude. We've had a lot of fun together drinking at the racetrack after the races and breaking each other's balls when we're, you know, doing not doing too good. Usually sometimes it happens when we're working with each other, but at the same time, you know, it's all about having fun and he's one of my great friends through...

...racing and it's pretty cool to see him, you know, move up as a spot or from, you know, riverhead race way on Long Island weekly and then doing tour, modified tour stuff and then all the cool things he's been doing. So it's not always about the drivers. You know, there's a lot of a lot of different parts of auto racing, and Nascar specially, and there are a lot of a lot of cool people doing some awesome stuff and awesome to see good friends do well and and honestly, they've been great and really supportive of me with the whole Lesr rex thing. That's awesome. That's actually great. We've need to talk about the amount of different people and moving parts. We secondually had quite a. We said a couple of guys that we had Darrell Edwards, who is Christopher Bells check man and the fifty four car and John Hunter, Nam of check, and then we've also had Ryan sparks who was corps the joy's crew chiefs. So we we definitely understand all the moving parts of the sport and all this and that, which is which is pretty cool. You get everyone's different perspectives on that. Yeah, of course. I mean there's lots of different backgrounds and a lot of people from the northeast down there doing some cool things and you know it's awesome to see. You know, we're a pretty racy part of the country. It's really competitive up here at all the weekly tracks. I don't think a lot of people realize how many tracks there are in New England that run on Friday and Saturday nights and you know, put on some good shows and get some good crowds and lots of good car count and I know that sometimes weekly it's hard to get that car count, you know, at some of the tracks and it's hard to get more than a couple hundred fans. But you know, track like Stafford every Friday night, you know Jam's it out with the SK's. They've got awesome social media for the track and timely results and lots of news stories about their drivers and amazing sponsorships. That pays awesome. You know, pays a lot to win Stafford weekly for the SK modified. So, yeah, short track racing. It's awesome have the spotlight and that's kind of what the whole Sr rex deal was about, was, you know, celebrating short track racing in America. Yeah, yeah, I was. I was actually at staff for this past week and I saw it on on Saturday and especially in SK modified serious there was a lot of names there that, like, I wasn't really familiar with, but like the the local people that go there most every week. There were like a lot of like mixed emotions in the stands and everything, and it was it was really different to see because I rarely go to a local track near me and to see all like the mixed emotions and everyone sharing and booing different people. It's kind of it's kind of cool to see kind of like like a small town or like a local track kind of like come together in those moments. Yeah, I mean, you know, Stafford's case are super competitive and lots of big personalities in that division over the years. I'm a graduate of that division and to go there every Friday night from, you know, the end of April until the end of September, which is Stafford's race season, is just a real grind. Then you really form rivalries and, you know, learn how to race with each other and how not to race with each other. And you know, Stafford is an amazing place as it is. It's fun to watch there. They've got a great atmosphere. But you know, they're on flow racing now every week, every Friday night. So it doesn't matter if you're in Connecticut and you can't, you know you can't keep up with it. You can, you know, pay the the small fee that it is for the flow racing subscription for the year and if you're already a flow racing subscriber, you can just log on and watch staffords beedway weekly. And you know, the thing about weekly racing and even the touring series level, like the modified tour, you know you just have to watch a handful of races and you start to learn the names of the drivers and I always even think about it. Like the other divisions at Stafford, you know, if you just watch the street stocks or the late models or or any division there more than a half a dozen times, you start to learn who the key players are and you know, I kind of look at you know, that kind of like the what I represent with the modified tour. I mean all of our racing are on an NBC sports. Nascar broadcast everything live for the modified tour and NBC sports, if you have this enemyc sports gold subscription, you can just watch it. So we got to river head this Saturday and if anybody wants to check out the modify tour you can watch it live and get to know who some of the drivers are. And you know, when it comes to moving up and in racing these days, you know, social media presence is big and name following is big and the way that you get that is by having tracks like Stafford that are putting their weekly drivers out on flow racing to get New People's eyes on them. Yeah, for sure. I think short trek racing and local trick or local racing in generals probably some of the most underrated racing you'll see out there. I'm from Michigan so I see all the short trek stuff that goes on here and all the even just small town fairs and all that, because where I'm from we have one of the bigger fairs in Michigan. So we see all the local guys that do all the...

...bumper runs, figures and all that, and that's all. You know, tear your stuff up, come back to another place the next week. But it's you learn, even from just there two who who the guys are that compete week in and week out. With that. It's nice to see that. Yeah, the guys from Berlin race way are desperately trying to get the whale and modified where there. I talk to them at the NASCAR banquet two years ago and they they really want us there and it would be, you know, great to get the modifieds in front of the Midwest fans. It's just an awful long trip to travel for, you know, twenty four teams that are mostly based in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Long Island. So you know, the extra travel is tough, the extra time awful work. You know, people have to remember that our series everybody is volunteer cruise, you know, so for racing on a Saturday and we have a full day of travel on on Friday and then, you know, a full day of travel again on Sunday. Not that that we can't do it, but NASCAR's done a pretty good job of balancing our schedule with travel races down south to places like Myrtle beach. We used to go to Bristol, you know, those types of tracks. You know, and who knows? I mean I think you'll probably see US starting to run some of the tracks in Ohio and Michigan and Indiana at some point. We race that generous town now in Pennsylvania and we're going to go to Lancaster speedway in western New York, which is a little little ways near Buffalo. So those are pretty big trips for us and you know it's important to get us in front of new fans and when when people see drivers like me, you know, srx, and Ryan priests running the Cup series and all the great things he's done for promoting our series, you know it just kind of expands our footprint a little bit and just really great racing with the modifieds and super cool cars. And I know you guys out in the Midwest you have a car you call modified, but they're not like our ground pounder modified. You know, they're totally different than and that's a hard thing. Actually, it's something I thought about, is that it's hard. You know, people in other parts of the country everybody has a modified division and most of them are those inmsa style modified are like the Florida modified that they run down south and they're just not what we run, what a northeast Tord type modified is. So, you know, people who see our division usually get hooked on it pretty quick because the cars handled great. They're kind of like, you know, everybody who loves the sprint cars in the Midwest. It's like their little rocket ships and ours are, you know, other than the super modified, were about as close as you come on asphalt to something like that, where it's got a ton of power and great handling and super exciting. So it's a cool series to be a part of. And you know I'm just representing with this whole Lesser Extal, just representing the TOR type mods. Oh Yeah, for sure, it's. It's so cool to see all the different kinds of racings that go on throughout the country in general. But one thing that came to my mind explain how you got the deal to be in s rex and run against everyone, because to anyone that doesn't pay attention to NASCAR or the lower series of NASCAR. They're like, well, WHO's this guy? He's not, you know, indie car champion or NASCAR champion. Just, yeah, just explain how this whole deal came about. Yeah, sure. So, you know, staffers, my home track and I've been racing. I had started racing there probably before you guys were born. In one thousand nine hundred and ninety six was my ors year, and the one track championships there in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight and two thousand and then followed the progression up through the ranks to the the whale of modified tour, and that's the that's the king of the racing up in the northeast. I mean it's the touring series that everybody in the northeast wanted to be a part of and wants to win on. And after a couple years of try and I finally won some races and then after many years of trying to start, I started to win championships and I won six championships on the modified tour and between two thousand and twelve and two thousand and nineteen. And you know, at the time NASCAR started broadcasting the modified tour races on NBC sports and they were hiring guys like Ray Evernham to call the races, and so ray was doing a lot of prep work to learn who the modified tour drivers were and I happened to us. I happen to grow up racing with raised wife, Aaron, and so it was just a natural connection for for me, for ray to reach out to me to ask questions about the modified so that he could become educated on our series. You know, raise a modified guy race at Wall Stadium in New Jersey, so he's always followed the modifiedes. But you know, my my friendship with him really actually started from him just following the tour probably from like two thousand and fourteen until now. And he knows that that there's a handful of us that run up front on the tour quite often. And then you know when he started dreaming up the SAR x series and the local competitor at the local track, you know I knew as soon as he said he wanted to go to Stafford that if they book Stafford, I knew at least said be in discussion for it. Certainly there are other drivers like Keith Rocko, who has kind of a...

...national name for his weekly racing efforts. You know, I think obviously if Ryan priests wasn't running the Cup series, he would be somebody that would be thought of to do it. And you know, ray just kind of gave me shot me a text back in February. I was just about to go to new Smyrna to race, so it was the beginning of February or the end of January, and he just said, Hey, you know, we've locked in this srx deal at Stafford and we're going to definitely do a local guy. You know, they didn't know they were going to do the local cars with the superstars. That was something I think ray had to really pitch the rest of the team on. That was putting srx together, and once he got the blessing to do that, he just shot me a text and said, hey, gimy a buzz. We got to talk Srx and you let me know he wanted me to do it. And then I had to keep it secret for like, I don't know, over a month. It was well over a month that they didn't announce it until like April, and I kept asking them because I have like loose lips and I kept asking him, I'm like, you know, are you guys going to announce this anytime soon? And so they had to come up with their plan because they were in at the time. They were announcing all their full time drivers. All through February and March they were doing those announcements like every couple days and they wanted to wait until the end to do all the local drivers, to secure their plan for all the local drivers with the four of us they picked, and then the slinger nationals winner and then whever they're going to do at Nashville. So they had some things to figure out and you know, they made the announcement and then you know, it's kind of a done deal. That is that is awesome. And you mentioned Everingham and all this that I was I was a huge obviously I was a huge case Kam Fan. So when Everingham said that he was going to be a part of this, I was like, Oh hell yeah. And then obviously you mentioned getting in and ninety six and I'm like solely two years before I was born, you know, with not too bad, but I'm an old guy. So I figured that most of the young kids are born in the two thousands. That's okay, it's fine. I'm just I'm just before. I'm still still okay and now truly on the other hand, no, yeahs' for yeah, there's a little bit of age between, little but age gap. Sure you got yeah, okay, so let's just let's just jump in xerx deal. So I could probably guess like a modified and ster rex cars are like polar opposites, kind of like. Is there anything that you could take from like driving the modified for so many years and like put into when you raced d'st rocks cars? Yeah, I think so. You know, I think you just get experienced out of track and I have a lot more experience than just the modified at Stafford and I've been fortunate enough to last like handful of years. I've run some asphalt midgets with the northeastern midget association. So getting out of the comfort zone of the modified, I ran a Cann car at Thompson in two thousand and seventeen. So I think that I'm fairly adaptable. You know, even the Stafford s case to a tour car, two totally different types of modified. They might look the same but they raced totally different, different motor combination, different carburetor, different horsepower, all sorts of stuff. So I think I'm pretty flexible when it comes to getting around Stafford. And Yeah, the SRX car was a little bit of a beast, a little unknown beast for all of us. You know, Ray said from the beginning he wasn't setting it up to be a perfect handling race car and you know I'm used to trying to have a perfect handling race car. So that was a challenge just to try to not make it perfect and to deal with what it was. But handling wise, very close to the K and N car that I drove, and maybe that's just because it's a full body car with a similar tire, but it just seemed to kind of want to be pretty fast down the straightaways, similar to a modified power or powerwise. But then it just, you know, those cars just don't have the the grip with the wide tires that I have in the modified and the this the snappiness of the handling. You know, they're just a little lazier and they like things to go a little slower and they like you to be a little more gentle on the throttle and let the car kind of roll through the corner kind of like I'm sure a couple and exfinity car would. So they're not there. Were a challenge to figure out, but I felt like I adapted well and I did take a lot of my little tricks from the modified to that car and it actually handled them pretty well and I just kind of dial them back a little bit to work. For that I got thrown off my train right there. Sure you got I'm going to try to remember all I what was the question? So, Um, when you when you won, how was like the the feeling of it all, and like how all like the big names do you're racing? I came up to congratulate you and like what was like? The atmosphere like when you won? Well, her, because I fell on my ass when I got out of the car and that didn't feel too good. But I mean just the support from the crowd was pretty, pretty awesome.

Stafford was rock on that night and I don't know if the people on TV could really tell you know what kind of environment it was in the atmosphere, especially for somebody going there as many years as I've been there. It's they get great crowds, but that was that was a special crowd and you know, they all rallied behind me, obviously to win, and you know, all the guys that I raced with were awesome. They were really interested in me as a driver, in my background and how I got to race in the series and learning about the track and all that stuff, and I tried to give him as many tips as I could and I think they appreciated it. You know, I mean, I'm not there to keep secrets. I'll just tell you exactly what I try to do and you can try to figure it out. I'm not somebody typically who gets like I'm not like star struck in general, but yeah, I mean, you know, when I see those guys and I, you know, get a little nervous meeting them for the first time, I'm like, this is bill L it. You know, this isn't just some guy you know walking around the racetrack, it's bill freaking Elliott. And you know Tony, of course, is is so used to meet in young guys and while I'm not young, but you know what I mean. Just you know, everybody, Tony knows that a lot of us look up to him as kind of a mentor, even though you know he doesn't mentor us. We look at him as a model for, you know, how to have a long, long racing career and be versatile and do all sorts of stuff like he's doing on in the racetrack and all the cool things he does. So yeah, I mean it was awesome. I think those guys know I had a little bit of an unfair advantage with my laps that I have at the track, but they certainly respected that and, you know, I think they were they were happy. That I want and I think that it made, you know, the series was happy. It made for good TV, it made for a good story to start off and you know, it puts a little bit of pressure on the other local guys, Brian Brown this week at Knoxville, and he was texting me to, you know, ask me how the car was and all sorts of stuff. So we're having fun with it and you know, a lot of times these days racing just stops being fun and, and I've always said that you know, a lot of a lot of these drivers that I see doing other stuff, you can just tell they're not having fun race in the car and they're missing out on the cool side of racing, which is having beers with your friends, if you're of age, having beers with your friends after you win and, you know, hanging out with your crew and camping, like I camp with my guys at the races all the time, and you know that's fun. It's not always about just, you know, saying the right thing all the time and it's not always about not making mistakes, because we all make mistakes. You know, I fell out of the car because I slipped on the window net and I was embarrassed as hell. I guess what, I just won the race. I just beat Eleo Castron Nevis, like, I mean, come on, so I don't care that I fell out of a car. You know, it is what it is. And you know, I laughed because I see some people just constantly sharing the video and stuff and it's like that doesn't bug me and the slightest bit I laugh at. I can laugh at myself and and I was having fun and that's what racing is. So it's been it's been a great week. Lots of people, you know, sending me text and I can't even respond to everybody yet. So it's been been awesome. Yeah, so you mentioned the how when people move up and kind of get into the more like serious and like higher levels of racing that they kind of like lose the fun sometimes in it and like to hang out and, you know, parting aspect of racing that's behind it. Is that a reason like that? You really haven't like moved up that much and like showed a lot of interest and like going up until the higher ranks? Yeah, I mean it's still comes down to money and sponsorship and I've struggled with that, struggled finding sponsorship my whole career really until I landed mayhew tools and two thousand and seventeen or sixteen. I think it was the end of sixteen. So mayhew's been awesome and they're they're kind of getting their feet wet and racing and they support me and everything that I do and they you know, they're there's budgets, though, and and I'm happy with them, with the modified tour. You know, I would say I don't want to blame anybody of them myself, for maybe not pursuing something more. Ryan priests prove that you can not have a whole ton of sponsorship and round things up and get things done, like when he got the Joe Gibbs racing opportunity he had to, you know, lean on a lot of people who have supported him and his racing career. So you know, that's because Ryan had a mission, and Ryan's mission since he was five years old was to become a Nascar Cup driver and when he started to see the door was cracked open, he tried to kick it down and he did. I think for me, I was always focused on, you know, what's next locally and what's next with a modified tour and finding myself and an established modified tour ride and, you know, any sponsorship I got I always put towards that. So I could have hired a marketing company, I could have gone out to try to raise, you know, couple hundred thousand dollars for a few races and exfinity or something like that, but that was just never, never me and never my focus and never not to say that I wouldn't do it or that I wouldn't want to do it, but again, you know, I'll take the responsibility for that, for not being, you know, crazed to go...

...and make it happen. So you know, I'm happy where I am. I have had a good career. I'm a little old now to be trying to move up to something bigger, but you never know. crazier things have happened and you know, you'll notice in Nascar that there's always like little shifts in the tide from yeah, you know whatever, people are finding to be the best drivers for vacant rides, and a lot of times it's whoever's got the most money. But right now you know, guys like Josh Barry Pave in the way for short trackers who are underfunded and then performing well. I think you see me in the SRX series and most people know that I'm just to a lot of people and no name modified guy, but performing well and ultimately racing should come down to performance and it shouldn't matter if you're eighteen or forty one or twenty two. Whoever can do the best in the vehicle should be granted the opportunities and I think there's a little bit of a shift towards that right now over the last handful of years. You mentioned definitely talent over money. That is one thing am and I especially, we always talk about in the couple of group jets we're in, is that you just see these guys that get rides they probably shouldn't be in but are there because of money or, you know, whatever funding that comes their way. And you know, it's a business. It's a business and these teams need to pay employees and they have lives that they end that they have to support, and it takes money to do that. And you know, that's why, you know, it's a combination of everything. It's a combination of you know what the sponsors are looking for and who the sponsors are. Sometimes people's parents know the sponsors and sometimes people's parents are the sponsors. And and there's no there's no problem with that. There should be a mix. There should be a good mix of drivers in all the series and I think right now we're definitely we're very skewed heavily right now on the younger driver development type drivers who, quite frankly, many of them wouldn't survive a top ten in an ESCA modify at Stafford and it would probably take them many years to win. And and that's not saying that they're not capable, it just means that there are a lot of drivers that have a lot to learn and I think you know, if you have the mix of the Matt Craftin's and the Johnny Sauders and veteran drivers who you know can can make it interesting and make these kids work for it, then I think you have something going good. I think when you have an automatic entry because of how much money you have and then you root out some of these guys that are still really great drivers and instead they become driver coaches or spotters, well paid driver coaches or spotters, I think you just lose a little bit of the fun factor of the series, you know, and I do see a little bit of you know, I see a little bit of change in the tide, so to say, and I think that that any momentum that any short tracker can get as a good thing. So if I'm just you know, if somebody says like Hey, man, you member Josh burry did good. You, member Doug Kobe won the srx race, and it leads to some other short tracker getting a shot, I think that's awesome because we all kind of play a partner. I say, yeah, that's definitely something that is gone away. But, like you said, is the tightest turning because I still I still remember growing up, because I'm I can say I'm old enough to remember that all the guys that came through the short tracks and got these oddball ray seals in the S of s. who were the guys? You have Mark Martin and Russy Wallace and all those guys that came from short tracks first and then got their way up to get these major rides. And now you just see, you, yeah, all the young kids with money and all this and that, who have the sponsors. And, like you said, it's a business nowadays, which is kind of the sad part. And we see it, though, with the younger guys too. There it's definitely not a lack of tail, it's it's more of a lack of experience. Yeah, he's a rantize maturity, life experience, you know. I mean again, there's no problem with those, those scenarios, but it always used to just be a handful of those and now it seems like it's just the majority. And you know, if we can get a good balance there, it'll make the racing a lot better. And you have to just listen to the fans and whatever the fans want is what what needs to happen and you know, hopefully the sponsors see that reflected in their bottom line when they when they choose somebody who can do a good job representing the brand and the fans responded by buying the product, for sure. For sure. Well, I know there's two questions we usually like to ask any guess we get. So I'll start with one. That's that's fun that sometimes we get the Oh, I know how to answer it, but then they just go right away. The first one. What is probably your funnest or best moment or experience from the track? I think a lot of it centers around, you know, some of the some of the things that we...

...do as drivers that fans and even crew members don't realize just because the driver. You know, drivers in my series, we all have a relationship with each other. So sometimes will you know, smashed the crap out of each other just for fun, and it's not because, you know, somebody might look at it and say, Oh my God, he just drilled him, he hates him, but sometimes it's out of like fun and friendship. So those are the I don't know, I don't have like a I don't really keep like a top ten list of like the the most fun things, but I think for me it's just the I have a lot of time, a lot of fun joking around with people and I have a lot of fun when people when that's reflected in my racing and people can tell that something like that happens, that we're just doing for the pure fun factor. Obviously it takes some skill to that wreck your car, but sometimes, you know, just the little hand gestures that we give each other, as you can imagine what it would be, stuff like that. You know, a lot of it has to do with mutual respect and then having fun with each other. So for me, the fun, the funnest thing is being at the track with with everybody and, you know, kind of chasing each other to be better, and that's how I have my fun. That's awesome. That's awesome. And then another one, which might be more of an odd boat Christian, given that it's a little bit, I don't want to say later in the career, but it's been it's been a pretty solid one. What's a short term goal and a long term goal? Short term goal is to find a way to time Mike Stefanic and Whin a seventh modify tour championship. You know, this is a guy who's getting inducted into the Nascar Hall of fame and really was a mentor for me and many drivers in the northeast and a model of a champion, if you guys could ever met him, I mean just the way you conducted himself in the race car and out of the race car. So deserving of that honor. So short term goal is to to somehow find a way to win number seven. Missed the race last week for us for a miss the Os we go race last week, so it put me in a little bit of a hole and we have great competitors on the tour. So it's going to be a challenge to dig out of that hole, but I'm going to try and if it doesn't happen this year, I'll try again next year. You know, long term goal, I think, is just continued success for short track racers and being an ambassador for that and remembering that. You know, people are watching now and it's hard for somebody like me like I don't think about stuff like srx changing anything for me, but it does. It means that people are going to look on my twitter account and my instagram and my facebook page and, you know, kind of scrutinize the things that I say and I need to make sure that I'm, you know, representing my sponsor as well and representing short track racing well, and I think that if we if I can be a part of that, that would be really exciting to see, you know, the shift in in racing a little bit keep going and to know that I was a part of that. And who knows, maybe there are some opportunities, you know, even as my career, you know, I don't necessarily think my career is winding down, but I'm certainly past the halfway point of my career, that's for sure, and you know, maybe there will be some opportunities, you know from things like Sr rex, to get involved and help. I like promoting and I like dreaming of like cool short track races and all sorts of stuff. So, you know, maybe after my short track career is over, if I never get a chance to do something more in the top parts of NASCAR, maybe I become somebody who gets more involved and in helping the short tracks be better down the road. So that saying that that's a given or that I'd even necessarily want to do it after our race, because I don't know, but certainly points to that direction for me to be involved in the you know, the business side of helping short track racing get better than it already is, so that, I would say, it would be an awesome long term goal or pursue and just, you know, kind of keep getting the word out about these awesome short tracks that exist around a country. It's awesome. That's awesome. Hell, yeah, try. Do you have anything? Yeah, so you've raced it a lot of tracks over two years, a lot of short tracks mostly. Is there still a short track around the country that you still have like a goal to race that one day? That's hard to say because there's a lot of good ones that I don't know about. I've never been to a dirt track, so I don't know. You know, I don't necessarily know. I'm sure there's some great dirt tracks out there. Probably, I would say, you know, something like five flags to run the snowball Derby. That would probably be if you said, okay, which track have you never raced at that you'd want to race out? I'd probably want to be there for that one event and that's more about the event, I think the maybe the track, you know. Certainly, if I could ever win a race at Bristol, that would be like, you...

...know, my childhood dream in a sense. Not necessarily my adulthood dream, but my childhood dream was always to be a guy that was dominant at Bristol or something like that, and you know, so there will see how that, you know, ever pans out. But yeah, I mean listen, there are a ton of good little short tracks out there and I always used to struggle on the quarter mile tracks and now I have quarter mile wins in the modified at Manad knock, at White Mountain in New Hampshire and now at riverhead. So I've kind of been honing my skills on the little tiny bowl rings, the quarter miles, which are tough and a modified. So for me, I mean any track I've never been to I'd love to go to and win at, and there's there. I guess maybe Lucas Oil Raceway Park would be another one that I watched the race at once when I was a kid, a Bush a Bush series race, and you know, that would be one that if I if we could ever run the modified say there, which I would bet within the next ten years you'll see the modified tour racing there. If I had to guess, I think that that would be awesome. Like that's a track I'd love to get some laps around. Oh yeah, that's awesome. truit. Do you have anything left? I thought I did when I forgot it. Now you forgot. Yeah, I just do. I just did the question I ask a lot of people whenever I come on talk contact with like a driver any that? So you mentioned Mike stefanic before and he's probably answer to this question. But like growing up, is there a driver you like, idolize the most, looked up to the most to become a driver, that made you want to be a driver? Not Really, you know, I started young. I started at age six and my dad was a big Dale senior fans, so naturally he and I gravitated towards of the Jeff Gordon Dale senior rivalry. We were definitely Dale senior fans and used to laugh when, you know, he would get into it with Gordon and, you know, we liked I always liked aggressive drivers, but then I had a lot of respect for like, you know, guys like Harry Ganton Alan Kawiki who were just always there at the end and really hard working. So I didn't have one particular driver. Let you know, Mike Stephanic was always a driver who presented awards at my quarter midget banquets when I was a kid. So I had a lot of respect for him in the modifieds and the the Bush north series that he was racing. And you know, Ted Christopher was the king of the modifieds in the Northeast and we lost Ted a few years ago in a plane crash and you know, he certainly has changed it. Certainly we lost Mikes to fanic as well and it certainly the two of them not being here has changed racing in the northeast quite a bit. So I would say, you know, when I was a little kid it was all dale senior. I wanted to be like him and aggressive and not Karen what I did and what people how that how people reacted because he was just so awesome at that. And then when I actually started racing full bodied cars, full size cars, I was just such a fan of Mike Stefanex abilities in both, you know, a modified and a full size called full bodied car. So that's kind of kind of the mix. I would say. That's awesome. That is not I mean it's always great to have those guys that especially once of that caliber, and I don't especially knowing them to because seems like it seems like the modified drivers are a lot closer than any other series of Mascar out there. For sure. Else. Yeah, but true. You Got Anything? Any Other? Any other final I don't think I have any o those at all. Thoughts or any question now. All right, if you want to shout out, your social media is where people can find you and maybe get in touch with you. And then, yeah, twitter, dug underscore code, be instagram, Doug Kobe, even it's simple, easy. If it were racing on facebook, you know, I don't. I don't accept friend request anymore from people I don't know on my personal facebook page because I'm just kind of like maxed out almost with with friends. But you know, certainly post as much as I can on the dug Kobe racing whatever racing page, whatever it called. So I'm there, I'm around. I'm not that social media a lot. So Gosh. Yeah, well, it's been awesome having you on and this was honestly a great conversation that we had and super excited to have you on here. Yeah, well, thanks for Rop. You very much. Thank you problem. Have a good one youtube too. Okay, dude, that one a lot better than night, as I've been a lot better I didn't. I was doing quite a bit of research when we were sitting here talking earlier. So, but yeah, I pulled up a stats for verse Ilum, like, Did you go dud? Did he do anything in Naction this series? Before I ask, he was solid driver, solid career. Now, dude, it's that was fun. I had fun with that one for sure. All...

...right, one to watch my friend once to watch at the tricky triangle this weekend. We can't say wants to watch without something. Kyle Harson. Yeah, that's true. It's just kind of a given at this post. Say. I also say Daniel Sworez. He has a moment from last week and he he rarely disappoints it Pocono in the car and the Times he had a competitive car. He must won here in his rookie year and I think yet runner up in two thousand and eighteen two. So Um, look out for dandoswarries. I think I'M gonna have to agree with you on both of those because Yeswerez is actually quietly good at Pocono. And then, yeah, it's Kyle Larson. He's going to be on pole for the first race anyways. But you know, it doesn't matter in the second race you'll find his way up there. It's it's kind of Larson. It's two thousand and twenty one. He's back and be there's definition of he's back, like yeah, yeah, and then who's coming to suck? Who are you staying away from? It kind of hard. I think I know who I'm gonna go with. I don't even know, like who. Who Do like out for? Really? You can go first on that. I'M gonna go with my favorite driver because he has been shit since he won and he has had garbage luck since he won and the last time we were at Polkano he did not perform. So I'm gonna go with Ryan Blainey. It hurts me to say that, but he's just has nothing going right for him right now. It's very, so, very sad. Damn. I don't know anyone that's really like bad here, honestly. You know, yeah, I don't know. I mean you could say I have a feeling about Alex Bowman not doing so well, I mean as performance since his wins kind of. He's the fourth hundred car and he's kind of been decreasing and decreasing and it's not it's not all luck. It's kind of performance too. Yeah, it's Um, it's noticeable, that's for sure. Yeah, because of fantasy. We can do fantasy at we will do both of them. Since you finished worse than me, you will have the first choice out of us two for the first race, and then I'll take the second race. You have Bell Suarez M Byron at your disposal. I believe that's an easy pick, as easy, but I don't know who I'm going to pick first, though. Well, you also got to remember we do of a road course still too. Yeah, I know who I'm going to do. Tears, I'm going to do Byron first war second because Sworez. I'm going to give Belle I'm down back. I'm going to get by in the first one because he is his experience of all kind of adapt to it more, and Sworez I give second because I'll have the race behind them and the team will have the info and I'll be a lot easier for him. There you go. All right. I gave Nick Larsen for the first race and then the second race I'm giving him Alm Rolla, because you probably want chase for the road course. Yeah, I just figured I'll be nice like that. Yeah, makes sense. But since you took Byron for the first race and I gave Nick Larsen for the first race, that means I have to use Lagano here, and he's not really performing lately now. I mean he had a he's actually look like the best pen's guitar week in and week out. And then I'm going to use Byron for the second race, because that way I can have one Kyle Larson for the Road America. Yeah, yeah, strategy, strategy, yeah, that's about it. That is about it, sir. So that means and then I just tell you who everyone has for Road America. CADEN's going to have Mr Tyler Reddick, make will have chase elliot, as mentioned, I will have Larsen,...

...and then that means you will have that bell. Yeah, so I think that'll be the most interesting one to watch out of all of them. Yeah, yeah, because if bell can finally show up on a road course again, that be cool with him. That way we can have like I'm yeah, had of looking race. Yeah, that outro time. So big thanks to both of our guests. This week we had Doug Kobe and David Salazar. A lot of insight, a lot of things we learned. It was both amazing conversations. We loved it. I want to say we can't wait for Poconot, but it's Pocono. It's well, they're going to carry on with that. So Um again, thanks for watching. Check us out on Youtube, spotify, apple podcasts, Google podcast, all the major podcast forms pretty much, and like subscribe, leave a review, all that kind of stuff, and we'll see you next week. See you guys already. All right,.

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