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Episode · 5 months ago

Checkereds in the Wind On the First Superstar

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

This week was a bit of a different episode. We had two guests on! First on the episode was David Salazar a well respected wind tunnel engineer at Joe Gibbs Racing and we talk about his adventures that led him to where he now. Then we sit down with the first SRX winner Doug Coby! In between we breakdown the great weekend in Nashville that saw two names that are frequent winners and a surprise trucks series winner!

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To Aska Hospital podcast, I'm her troyjump by Chris and we have our guest for this week. It is David Salazar. If Isaid that correctly, I believe I did she is. He works in the wind tunnel atJoga's racing and that's pretty much like the basis of it.Tell us more about kind of what you do and I'm about yourself. So I've been out of actually working inthe NASCA industry about seventeen years. I worked in one of the wintonsfor ten years before I went to Joke Gibbs. This winto called Aerodome it's inMooresville and we tested that one and then we also tested a win tunnel calledwindshield and they're out of Concord. Both tunnels are about twenty to thirtyminutes away from the shop, but we do most of our custom. There typicallywe're in the Winton at least once a week. I grew up in New Mexico on a Pecan farm of allthings. My Dad had a he had a garage and thenshifted into an auto part store, and then we had a couple out of part storesor growing up. You know me and my brothers, we all worked on cars, workedat work for for my dad in a farm and and at the family business. So I wasjust always surrounded by cars, so I just kind of figured, you know, followmy passion and keep working on him and I always want to be in raised, and so Ijust kind of continued to climb up the ladder until I landed a job at Joe gibs, Oh yeah, that's awesome! Eh Joy, like you look like you ever hit,something to say a so. So you mentioned kind of briefly thatyou you, like the racing growing up, was like working in a winton or like ina shop like your first thought, when kind of trying to get in the racing. NoI mean it started young. You Know My dad was really big in the anty fivehundred, so you know my youngest memories, probably five. Six years old,I remember you know getting up on Sunday sitting on the couch, watchingthe ane five hundred with him, and so ever since I was a kid I just kind ofgravitated towards that. I raced motor cross shifter carts. Iwas involved in drag racing at the early age involved in dirt track racingat early age, and you know me personally: I wanted to drive a carthat was kind of my passion in s. What I wanted to do, but you know I reallydidn't have- I didn't- have a lot of guidance growing up as far as you knowhow to get sponsorship and and how to basically go about maintaining a writeror getting a ride. You know working after school at high school. You know Icouldn't afford to get a car, but you know I got as far as I could get realistically and then one of my friends they him and hisbrother continued to race. So I worked for them and I was a cruche on one oftheir imcin modified teams through college, and so I just I've always justtry to position myself. You know I was like well. If I couldn't drive in thesport or you know, drive what could I do andit was like? Well, maybe I'll just go to engineering school and you know seeif I can at least be involved in the sport some way and that's kind of whatI did. You know I just kind of Crete in secondary path to to do something inthe sport yeah. I say you seems like we see a lotof people get involved in the sport andmaybe not be able to do the racing itself. Like you said once you get to acertain point, but take us to a little bit of that shift your cards andthey're biking, because that seems like a huge part of the whole west Westernside of the country itself. It is it was, it was fun. I mean those areprobably some of my you know best days. I say you know we had a lot of funracing around. You know we didn't go too far, as mainly like Arizona, Texas,New Mexico and yeah. You know they had a go cartseries. I was more in a motor cross and that was kind of my passion, kind of a back up a little bit. Youknow being being a big indie car fan as a kid like that was you know, that'swhere I wanted to go when I grew up as like that that was it and back in theyou know, is when Indy Carton. When Cart and IRL split it kind of ruinedthe series for me- and you know I really lost interest in that. So then it was. You know I got intoNaudari and I think I was watching rother outlaw racing a lot and I reallyhadn't watched any NASCA racing until two thousand and one that was my firstMascara that actually sat down and watched the you know. Horace start tofinish. My parents have an auto part store. Wehad a initial, we had big ALO parts which probably a lot of people. You guys Probatou to remember this, butbig aaloa is a big, auto part chain in the s day late. They the corporation,went bankrupt, so we had to find a new...

...part supplier. So, at the time NAP Atacar came to my dad and you knowthey wanted to work a field and try to get him on board. Napa, so we did, thisis probably ninety. Nine is two thousand ish and then you know my momwill go up. One Sunday was like you know, Michael Wall trip and this newnapao going to be racing the day, co by Hunderd, and I just like an I'm, notyou know, wasn't really in the Mascari like okay, I've got nothing else goingon like a what's the harm o I'll watch it. So I sat out won that first race,and I mean I tell you what like after that race. I was book. I was like okay.This was a lot cool than I thought it was going to be. You know really joyed the racial, andit was one of those it was that the race the Biler Hart died. So I thinkjust just having something that big happen watching the first race. Ofcourse I knew you know, name Veneda, horror, Rusu Walsh, you Nien all thebig names. I just didn't really pay attention to it. But after that I started paying a lotof attention to it. So you know racing the you know backing up then Yon. I goto shifter cards and dirt racing and wanting to do that, you know yeah. Ittakes a lot of money to get into the position where you can. You know eitherget noticed or try to get a ride, and you know I think my parents, they were more heavily involved in the auto partstore and they they were. You know they were really into the race and the stuffthat I was so I just didn't have the guidance and the like. How do you? How do you go about? You know takingthe next step? How do you go about getting sponsorship? How to do all thatstuff? So you know it's kind of just up to me at that point to to kind of keepgoing but yeah the shifters are calling. I mean I had a blast. It was kind of anoutlaw outlaw of class. They called it. So there's really no rules, it was, Ihad to be a single cylinder and it had a go, cart tires and go cart, Chassy,and that was really a. There was no right restrictions, no horse powerrestrictions, so I had a tits shifter cart and it was kind of homemade. Youknow because it was a dirt cart. So it wasn't. You know that you sell, you seethe OSPAK cards, but it it was. I had a mate of one of those engines onto adirt Chasse, because they're heavily off set were just you know, alwaysturning left on those, and I think I went to it was Animos NewMexico one year and the race. I think I kind of got rained now because itrained all day, but we were able to get on the track and hot lap, and now therewas a cop there with a radar gun and he caught me at a hundred and seventeenall an hour on the on the straight way either. So that cart was fun. I mean Ihad a blast in that card. I hate that I ever sold it yeah. That's that's a fanso that I've ever gone in. You Know Regular Street car, whichwe're not going to discuss that much at but yeah. That's that's! Quite thespeak, because what those tracks couldn't have been that big, it weren'tbig at all, no, they weren't, and it was just it basically just a lot ofhorse power, and you know if you could get the track to tack up enough to getthe power down, because that was part of it. You couldn't even use all thethrottle a lot of times, but that track that you know definitely was a bigtrack, bigger track and it had the traction. So I was I was able to putdown some good laps and then actually I broke the I broke my chasse that race Icouldn't even I think I ran four labs got that speed and then I broke thecart, so I had to call it back home and fix it yea as a troy, yeah. Okay, so I always. I always askthis question to any guess that we have- and you mentioned, that you mainlywatched open wheel racing and some more roll. The bout laws growing up. Isthere like a certain specific driver that you followed, and I do lie is thenreally I've always been attached to kind of yeah? So at a young age, youknow when I was big in the indies, so the greatest thing to come out of NewMexico back then was be unsers. So all anser junior senior bobby answer likethat was just like man. It was so cool to be. You know, because New Mexico'snot really known for anything, we don't any sports teams, you know, there's nota lot bear so just to have them kind of in our back yard was like really coolfor me, Rick mears, Danny Sullivan, like I justI couldn't get enough of those guys. You know just watching them and Ithought it was really cool to see that stuff and then the world of outlaws.You know. Obviously the Kins are and all the bit you know. The big name isback in the day, just just love to watch them, but yeah Nasca. I reallydidn't, have really didn't have it. You know anybodyI washed until to early to sand and that's kind of when I got into that. I say well, take us through say yousaid you were the crew chief for you. I think he said your buddies. My fight,or this is my yeah, so it was a rat solite and Antona. His older brotherstarted racing the modified you know what, before we did, he s he's a fewyears older, so we'd go out and help him, and you know it really juststarted out, as you know, scraping mud off the cars and you know keeping themclean and you know just kind of just trying to stay out of the way.Initially you know just his. I was really wanted to learn, but I didn'twant to be in the way so they're just like wet here's, a here's, a scraper go,scrape the car and wipe it down, make sure it's you know good to go and thenit turned into you know: T do entire...

...pressures and- and you know we go tothe shop and help Bonton work in his car and eventually just kept. You knowkept evolving red kept racing and he decided to move up in the modified. Soat that point I kind of you know, broke off and went with him. You know he wasout out of the same shop and obviously you know we were. We tried to help eachother out when we could, but we kept stuff a little separate. So it was neat. You know we. We werejust kind of some punk kids that really didn't know what we're doing and we'reasking a lot of questions and just trying to get through, but I mean therewas a while there we were running like top five every weekend, so we werepretty competitive. His brother was winning a lot. We were, you know it'sfunny, because he still remembers the three times we beat him. He give us ahard time about that, but we told me you know we would show up an opentrailer and they held all these nice trailers and everything and we justshow up en an open trail, an go t spink everybody. So we thought that waspretty funny back then, Oh yeah, for sure I say we had or berecorded with Doug Kobe lass week, so we definitelygot a bit of the modified side of it from okay, his perspective for sure Yowe're going to have both of or urine or the interview with you, and then theyinterview with him for the same episode when Du gets released, usually tomorrowbut yeah so well, we definitely we definitely get to understand a bit morethan modified scene than a as people do dirt m. He was here he is still asphalt,modified, so, okay, it's definitely two different forms of re yeah yeah hestill a yeah very similar, but yet tertasse, you know very different. Theway you approach it. I guess Oh yeah, but then yeah. We talked about crucifie.What what got you into the door of Nasca then from there I got led to thata yeah kind of funny stories. I mean you know, knowing that's what I wantedto do when I grew up and you know, went to college, for it was kind of a turnlike at a fork in the road. I guess because I knew the only way to come outhere so having the my parents had the nap out of part stores and having thattie. My very first mascarade I went to was a brick yard. Four hundred we wentwith map of I forget what it was it was. I think we we were, I don't know topthree in the western, United States or filter sales or something so we endedup having you know getting a trick out there and we got to stay in this sweet, which isnice. Michael Walter came in and talked out. You know the nap owners, so I kindof pulled him aside and picked his brain a little bit. You know I'm supernervous at this point trying to talk to him, but you know I try to get itthrough and it was just like you know this is you know what I've been doing?My whole life- and this is what I want to do- thet you know you. Can you giveme an advice on how to kind of have like? Where do I go from here andhonesty? I was trying to Promese hit the time he had like a they call it.You know Bush team at the time, so I was trying to you know see if I couldget involved in his team somehow, but anyway he he basically said it. Youknow you're really serious about working in the sport. You just have tomake the move the more, but he said, nobody's really going to talk to on thephone nobody's going to take a resume through the mail like you really justhave to go, beat down everybody's door to do it, so that was it was a littlediscouraging because it it is so far from New Mexico, and it's not a it's,not a quick drive. So after college. I ended up in Phoenixfor about a year thinking that, okay, you know- maybe I can find somethingcloser to home to to do instead and I had a buddy that his name is GerardHaden, we kind of raced him grown up, he's a lot you younger than us. So Ididn't get a race with him, but he raised he was raising to print carswhen he was like thirteen years old or something, and he ended up out hereracing. Well, I helped him. I think we did an archer race in California aftercollege, so you know still trying to kind of figure out how to get my footin the door for that. That was a west coast race and then he ended up gettinga truck ride through a team called fiddle back racing and it was more like a just a limited schedule, so he moved out hereand he he knew this. What I want to do so he called an he's like hey like comeout here. You can stand my couch as long as you need you know, but you need to get out ofhere and you know start talking to people and just try n network. So I'mlike okay, so I set a son like I'm on. I think it was. It was August becauseit was. I knew that because it was a, I missed, my brother's birthday, so Iflew out here in in August and I basically I went to all the teams. Allthe shops passed out, resumes try to talk to whoever I could and the funnything was in college. I did a project where I did a little project in a scalewin tunnel that we had at the university and I was like man that'd beso cool if there was a wind tunnel that tested nothing but race cars and at thetime there was no wind tunnel that existed. You know that themanufacturers have their wintons but they're they're, mainly automotive, andthen there's some aeronautical wind tunnels that do like airplane testingand occasionally they'll. Do you know race, partest ing, but there was atunnel and Morse that opened up aerodome and they openedd up aboutright about the time I graduated.

So that's like the job that I reallywanted to try to get. I didn't even know what I could do. You know there. Ididn't even know what a position they might have available. So I kind of savethat one to the very end, because I was you know, really nervous about gettingin there and I walked in, and I asked for Gary Acres, the owner of that went,Hal and and typically you know. I try to do my homework on who to ask, or younow try to try to position myself to get the resume the right person and youwalk into a big building and there's you know receptionists, and they tellYou well, you know we'll give you we'll get the resume do who needs to get toand you you don't get to talk to anybody, but when I walked in thewinter- and I was like you know- is Gary Akee and he said Yeah, that's meand I'm like Whoa. So I'm I'm already like thrown back like well, I'mactually talking to the man, so we talked and kind of had a little minian interviewon the spot and it was a lucky situation because they were justtalking about hiring another operator. So it's kind of one of those. You knowright right, place right time, scenarios I talked to him, for you know a fewhours and it went well. I came back to New Mexico and I didn't hear anythingfor probably three weeks and I was I was pretty discardin. You know Ithought it went better than that. He finally called offered me a job and Ipacked up and I headed out- and you know the rest of his history. I've beenI've been doing. The same thing for about seventeen years is a yeah, so you that's another thing that you hearabout with a lot of, especially with Ken in the Nasca. It's a lot ofeveryone sleeping on each other's couches. For sure it is. I did a lotabout network and I, when I, when I worked at the Winton, I actually run.We had a two on tonon. I ran one of them and I'd get a lot of resumes. Youknow from college kids and stuff, and I I kind of try to give them the sameadvice that people gave me as like. You know you really want to do it. If youreally want to work in the sport, you know you just have to get out here andand try to network. That's that's really what it's about! It's that's! Definitely what a I planon doing, I'm actually going to school right now and pole different level ofthe whole sport in general, but I'm going to school for sports casing rightnow. I'm like okay, I'm like some of the guys, are starting to get a littleolder, a needeth. They need to use, but yeah yeah. It's definitely it's,but yeah and fun so far, but a tridge anything right now, yeah. So, let's just kind of skip to three or years of being. I just had a brain for I bad be looking for. Let's Yeah Yeah, let'sskip through the years of your experience in a wind tunnel and whatwas it like kind of what was the process of like gettinginto joke, whose racing and like all that so the process, I would say you know working in the wind tunnel-definitely helped because I didn't have an Arrow background. I had a you know.I got a agree in Ehni, Al Engineering. I did take some fluid classes, whichkind of touched on Arrow, but not really so Gary Acre and a gun in GaryRomberg you due the little research on, arerummer. You point some coal stuff on him. He worked for Chrysler for a longtime, but both of them Gary Akers, started in the gym onetunnel and Gary Romberg worked actually helped design. The Christer went on soeverything I learned. You know I kind of learned from them just asking a lotof questions. They taught me God they tell me so much stuff up. You know alot of stuff, I can an remember. They told me some of the stuff and they'rethe time people they would just you know they would totally tear. You know,wipe down a white board and just start writing equations, and if you want todo this, this is the equation for it I mean they're, just they could just spitthat stuff out like like it was nothing to them. So I mean I definitely learneda lot from them and over the years you know there were several teams. Thatkind of approached me you know and asking if I would, you know, want toswitch jobs or go work for them, and it's the Nice thing about working atthe wind toll was. It was a job security for me like. I knew that aslong as I wanted to be there, I had a job and in racing especially NASCA, youknow it's very cut, throw you know. One day you have a job the next day youdon't so I didn't want to be a part of that process of just you know,constantly moving from team to team, so I turned a few jobs down. Red Bolt was one. I almost took, andI'm glad I didn't, because it was the same thing. I was asking about acontract and they were like. Well, you know mate, we do a year and but wedon't know what's going to happen after that and sure enough. The team folded,so you know lad, I didn't take. You know, didn't didn't get that job andGary was nice enough that he you know, I would talk to him, he very open andif you know like when red bill was asking, I said you know, I talked toGary and I said: Hey Look. Revels wants to talk to me, I'd like to just atleast her amount. He was one hundred percent fine with it. So we had a good communication on thatside and then my boss, now his named Patrick, cannot he actually called Garyand was looking for somebody e and...

...after he told Pa Gary what he waslooking for. Gary called me in his office and he's like Hey, Patrick kipsis looking for. You know this candidate. He told me what they were looking for,and he said I think you'd be a good fit for it. So you know my former boss is kind ofthe one that helped me get the get the job in the gift. So I was veryfortunate to have a have somebody like that that you know pushed me enough and was helpful enoughto help me kind of you know progress my career along, so that it was reallyneed to work for something like that, and then I knew people that work GIBSand same thing. It was like you know, they've been there ten fifteen yearsand it's like man, this places great. You know they care about the employees.They don't you know they don't like the you know they don't like to turn around.So I felt like it was a good situation to be, and you know I felt like I couldhave one givit there. So I reached out to Patrick- and youknow we had an interview and yeah. You know kind of the same thingrest of his history. I've been doing it about almost seven years now, withgifts. Yeah, that's that's great so like howdifferent was like the atmosphere from where you were to gibbs like was therelike kind of more like competitive atmosphere? Was it kind of like how wasit so? I've been fortunate too in the fact that I'm you know at the windtunnel. I work at the really good group of guys and then, when I got to greetGe just like you know equally, just as good a group of guys, so it was reallyan easy transition to come in. I felt, like everybody just you know, welcomedme right away, but it was a lot of work. I mean it was you know the wind time ofGary was kind of big on. You know we're working forty hours a week and then weget to to give in is like you know, we work six to five and you know sometimesrun on the weekends trying to catch up, so it was. It was definitely a lot ofwork for me, but it s. The same thing is is so rewarding because it's like you know my whole life is like that'swhat I want to do. I wanted to work on. You Know Cup cars, and here I amworking on Cup cars, so you know to me: It's been a job that I've never woke upin the morning and not want to be to be at work like I wake up every morningand I want to go, I don't care if it's a ten hour day. Twelve hour day I meanwe've had twenty four hour days in the Winton, ripping I'm up twenty fourhours, literally testing in the winter. To me, it's just like this is awesomelike I love it, so that shot was a little different. The competitive sideis, you know it's different from the wind tunnel, because you know the windtunnel we're just providing data, but it gives you know we're actuallylooking for stuff we're looking for speed. So that was a little different,but it's a lot of people. They are just you know,x, racers, so it for me. It was just you know, it's just being aroundcompetitive people, which I'm super competitive to even with myself, so itwas just. It was nice to have that and it's nice to see like when we when wefind stuff in the wind tunnel or you know we find some performance, you knowwe don't. We don't have like a yearly report or a quarrely report. I mean wehave a week reports. You know when we find something we take to the track andwe know right. Then you know. Did this work or not? So it's neat. It's neat to see thatthat your work is like just getting out there and and getting on track rightaway. So that's been been neat to see yeah and how was like the I'm startinglike stay your question or not a question but like way O, it all dependson. If you're about to see my question on that will see. I so first of how howhow big was he learning curve like how much more do you do? Learn I gibs thanfrom what you were at before it wasn't. It wasn't a super big one in curbecause it was what I was normally used to doing and in a wind tunnel. I wasjust now at a team and then I was responsible for helping them go to thewind to so it's already stuff. I understood it was neat because there'sthe resources at gins are a lot deeper. You know we have machine chops, we'vegot treed printers, so it's like whatever you want to do. You can kindof dream it up and do it I mean within reason, but that was neat because atthe win time you know and it gives to him and it cost it. You know you stillhave to think of cost, but you know we didn't have that stuff at the winter.So any time we wanted to develop or build or design something. You know wehad to go to an outside party to get stuff. machined gets parts made whereit gives us like. If I need to go well something up, they got ten welders overthere to go. You know go to it, they got in machines, we can use, they gotjoe presses. Lays I mean they got paint boots. So anything you need is like youcan get it done. So that was really neat to do, because you can just do alot of close stuff and then destroy didn't so my question.I really thought he was going to go that route, but it does kind of relateto it in a sense. How, if you guys, have been able to getyour hands on the next tank card? How different is that compared to the gensix YEP, so every all the teams have now got their hands on one. It's adefinitely a different beast in the gen six car.

You know they're still working out alot of bugs in it we'll see what happens next year, butyeah, it's they're taking it and I'm not sure how much you guys know aboutthe car. But basically what they're doing is are taking a lot of ingenuity out of the team's hands. So now, reallywhat we're doing refind parts and pieces from fenders and basically bothin a car together and taken it to the track. So there you know Nasca alwaystrying to keep the competition. Excuse me a level in their plane field. You know that in their mind they wouldlove to have just forty cars on track that are forty identical cars, and thenyou know it's up to the driver to have to to be able to perform, but in anything that we do like withracing. If we have a budget, you know we're going to try to figure out a wayyou know to take get performance. If they ban win, tell testing we thatthey're just going to take that budget, put it into cf or or find some way tofind a performance. So you know the cream always rises on the top. The bestteams with the money and the best people and resources are definitelygoing to be the top team. You know every weekend and it shows andeverytime they change the rules package and they try to make it more level for the plaine field. You knowyou see the same same teams running up front, so it I feel like it doesn'tmatter what they give us to race. You know like give us a soap box, barbe car,you know we're going to go to work on it and the best team is going to comeout of head. So it's it's kind of the same situation with this new car comingout. I believe so. It definitely looks like it's goingto create some O. maybe it doesn't create as much of a fun opportunity forteams but it'll creative for the fans at least to yeah, hopefully everythingthe game. You know. Obviously you know we all want them to succeed. We wantthis car to be a success, so we want to see it do well on thetrack, but it's one of those things. You knowwithout a lot of testing we just we just don't know. Once you get a lot ofcards out there running close proximity to each other. We don't know how it'sgoing to react, so they definitely need to get the cars on track with otherdrivers and- and you know somebody start working on how to how to dial itin so I'm sure you guys will be calculated need in every move. That'smade once there are once we do get a multiple cars on track all at the sametime, and all that yeah sure you got, you got anything had a question. Iforgot it got it same time, second time, so so how many? How many guys are you workingwith in a win tunnel? How many guys can you like bounce ideas off of like kind of work with so now? Now it's kindof funny we actually have a roster were only so many people can go to the WindTul, so they've limited us on how many people we can actually take to the tunnel, which is big, sevenpeople. So it's a pretty small group that wework with you know, but you have kind of you haveguys that kind of specialize in their own thing. You know you got fabricators,you guys that can have. You know, do programming, you know we get a lot of.You know a lot of data and trying to understand it dat. You know we have toanalyze it pretty quick, so you have guys that can can put it up on servers,and you know you guys can can do other things that help out of the wind come oe gather data on the data side, the data collection. So you know I do a lotof instrumentation, so we can get a lot of like pressure, tab data skies. A limit on that stuff, you know,is as far as what information you can get and then yeah. Then you got to workwith teams on. You know what what are they looking for? Where the driversneed? You know, is there something we can do to help help them on track? You know find a certain grip level ofbalance level that they're looking for so there's a lot of information thatgoes on during the week to try to figure out what we're going to do andthen obviously working it within the rules. See say you mentioned rules and we'vehad many different rules packages over the past seven years. Since you sithere yeah, that's how long you said. You've been a gibbs which one do you think was your. Wasyour favorite to to get your hands on and then I think back in, like fifteen,when they were when they were kind of going back and forth between the lowdown floors and high down forced packages. I feel like we did really well thatyear and it was just we. I like the low down force, high horse par package. Ithink that's just you know. If you want to give a drive, you want it to be onto the driver, make him earn. You know these new five fifty packages wherethey're just who can hold it down on the floor, I mean that's, not race and it's youknow. Ty Speed Chess, you know, give these guys horse power, give them lowdown force and let them have at it. That's kind of that's that's the way. Ifeel about it that I that I think that high speed chess sums it up very wellyeah turns o out yeah we've. We definitely aren't fans of the fivefifty package and have shared our...

...displeasure many of times. Yes, no,it's you know day Tonanti the day, your kind of their own beast and I enjoy thePlat Rati, and I think it's interesting. It's you know it's it's. I think it'sjust because it's more intense the whole time. It's not you know you don'thave to watch twenty laugh than wait to the last twenty laps of same race.Again, it's I feel like there's just something always going on and that'skind of their intent with the fine fifty package. I think it's just to tryto get pack racing and you know and all the tracks and it just it's just not asgood as they come an de with Tega, so I feel like they need to kind of go backto the high horse power low down force. Make them work for it. You know makethem make tires were of quick to our tires matter. You know the pitchstrategy stuff. You know I hate when somebody takes two tires and then goeswins a race. It's like hey, okay, good job in the pitch, but you know O, maybeweren't the fast acron the track. You just got a good call at the end, so Ilike to see it settled out on the truck yeah. We've definitely seen the fairshare of strategies work out in the finity package, but no the seven. FiftyI mean we saw it just yesterday. We've seen it at a couple of tracks. So farwith the seven fifty package, you got to be up on the wheel at all times andmanaging your stuff for sure Yep make him earn their pay check. That's got toget paid a lot of money, yeah yeah, it's insane yeah sure you look like no had. I had a process, something yougot a process, something and to think o man. I don't know that. Are you who knows Alex. I toyed US yeah. So I'mon my wife. That's hers out of the family, so I just saw him that weekenda couple weekends ago, e, a birthday party wearing town, so ye yea. What youguys do is pretty cool yeah. We we used to live across the street from Alex andshe led them. Okay, so we're really close to them. Livin my family, yeah yeah super we're quite a few states.Apart were yes, I'm from Michigan. I've done troy for a couple of years down.So that's: Okay, O Your Yeah Yeah, I'm in Michigan Right now,yeah. Definitely podcast like this. Oh Yeah. Definitely it was something thatwe pondered for like a couple of weeks and they were like all right. You know,let's just do it: LET'S TRY IT RIGHT OUT! Yeah Yeah! So we've been doingthis for about a year now: okay, so yeah. If Yo, I locked it up, I say youguys have a lot of a lot of podcast up an that's. Pretty cool yeah sound,pretty sweet for the most Buttah. I say we'll havesome wings for just like, but you know the side that we foundsome honestly and and including you tube, because there's been some thingsthat you said that I'm just like wow, but just about every single guest, maybeoutside of our first guess that we had. But besides him, it's been a blast tohave people on each week like e a lot of fun, but you just you, learn so muchabout people. You know especially people that you know you don't reallyknow their background or where they you know, came from or how they got towhere they are and there's just yeah, there's so many cool stories. You knowfloating out there, so it's cool for you guys are kind of documenting thisstuff to t it's kind of out there, everybody yeah same, we yeah OPI, try Itry to go for most of like everyone's, like Oh get, a job, I get a driver, butI try to like I kind of like go all around like the GAL around ascar. You know, we've hadpice numbers, we have crew sheets, we've had an now you that works in awind tunnel. We've try to go all around with people, whoever I yeh. No, it'scool to, because I mean I m in the drivers. I mean they get enough for usto where I feel like. If you're in the sport, you kind of everybody's kind ofheard the story, they all know their stories, so you know kind of gettingpeople that aren't in the spot light it's kind of cool. Just because you seethe variety out there. You know everybody where they came from. Youknow different states all over the country, and you know growing up doingyou know all kinds of stuff. I so yeah we've even well. Just this year we'vehad Alex Labe in the expind series and now you've had a James Davison out heretoo, and he was he was a lot of fun to talk to. That was yeah. That one was.We definitely got to get a whole different experience with him, alsohaving some indie or limited indi car background in yeah, I'm from Australia.So that was definitely O. that's a really different racing over there, sooh yeah. They definitely have their different quirks that they all haveit's. It's honestly, a blast each week to just be able to yeah yeah. I feellike everybody that works. You know mainly everybody that works in theracing industry. You know they're just they're, just a bunch of old races thatthat's you know they love to do it and they're just competitive, and you knowI feel, like they're, all a great group of guys. You know those kids know yeahas say we've an then joy, Menton's pick crew we've we had Darell Edwards who'son bells in the fifty four car in expind, so we ha had him on to so thatwas that was one to talk to him. Yeah, Oh yeah, they're, crazy yeah. We had A, we had Ryan sparks and he was just likeyeah. I don't knoww if you'd want to...

...get any of the crew members on I kindof work with a bunch of scoundrels. So like Oh but joyd you got. I think I don't have anymore, no much o! Well, I say where's it going to go. Oh say, giventhe probably a lack of trek or week weekends at the trick, ifyou do have any fun or interesting moments that you do remember from thetrack, that's usually a question we like to ask everyone, so I've kind ofbeen fortunate when I first moved out here. I didn't want to be like on apict crew. I wanted to travel and then once I started to get to knowpeople some of like you know, good friends are on pick crews and it's likeand they're gone like Thursday through Monday morning. Basically, by the timethey get home- and that's you know thirty six weeks a year, so they're onthe road all the time. So I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to go to thetrack. Very often you know we'd go maybe driving distance. You know back before cove. You knowwe'd go to you know Atlanta or Charlotte, or you know Bristol, some of thosetraction kind of they're easy to get to mainly just because you can kind of goso to music, and then you can get back home. So I don't have any. I don't haveany, unfortunately, crazy or fun storage with Nasca I mean if you goback to the old dirt days, there's a lot of stories that probably shouldn'tbe repeated, so we definitely had a lot of fun back inthose days. You know we were serious about theracing, but we're also you know we're a bunch of college kids. So we had a goodtime so yeah we just we definitely lifted up yeah. That's awesome, yeah! Well then,it's that one. Our last thing we usually like to do.If you want to shout out your social medias in case, if anyone wants tofollow you and get updates on that perspective, all right, Yep instar, isat entune Dave, twitters at one tonal Dave and then David tells or own facebook a right, easy enough. Yeah Yeah Yeah, yes backwhen I think, when twitter started, there was kind of trying to come upwith like clever names and did you guys ever know a show called a winton withDavy Spain, Yep yeah, and I was kind of like we. You know when tunnel Dave, sothat's kind of what Er. That is be a habit on opportunity. I was there yeah. That is great yeah, that's where thatcame from, but yeah. It's definitely been great to have you on here and yeah.It's a understand, a lot of the wholebackground of what you had yeah, not a pro there's alot yeah there's a lot of a lot of information. Like you know, I m prettyfastned about the winton stuff, having worked in one for a long time andthere's a lot of information. I wish that you know people beauseul wasreally curious about when tunnels on you know. They think that we just go inthere and LO smoke in a car, and it's like no, like that's the like. That'sthe last thing we do so. I do wish that there was a lot ofinformation that that you know you could tell people and but unfortunately,you know, teams pay so much money for this information that it's kind of aclose guarded secret. So you could probably give up you knowhave I somebody give up their first born child before they get up theirwind on, say this. So Yeah? That's what choice about a lot of things, but youknow it's definitely coortin of yeah t troy mentioned that were probably somequestions that we can ask. I'm just like all right I'll keep to the boy aquestion a way like, especially when they hear like specially other raceslike they're, like you get to hear you were going to winter. I like what do Ineed to do here and how do I do this? And what do I do and it's like? No, Ican't I can't answer it like. I can generally talk about stuff. You knowwhen I worked at a o. We did. We did some cool stuff like we had the USA boxLID team in we like Land Armstrong, we had a lot ofpro cyclists lands beat cars like that kind of stuff was really cool andthere's there's a lot of press people out there and look up some of thatstuff on a two there's. A lot of you know: Co, videos and stuff. You canfind on you tube the kind of same thing. It doesn't really give out the data,but it's at least more videos and pictures and stuff, it's kind of coolto see that kind of stuff for sure mice, but well. I think I think they will about do it then yeahyeah. I think that's about it. Thank you very much for coming on. Asspending your time over here and telling us more about you kind ofabsolutely Mitravana good luck with your with your endeavors. They canthank you light guys. Thank you so yeah yeah! So do you want to. We don't have to dolike actual summaries or any of that, but you want this kind of not not really much happen in struckexpidite. We can kind of touch on t China bit drugs. John Hunner justdidn't show up like I don't know if the hell happened there. I is o weird from practice and then qualifying his whatever the hell. That was. Did you see that at all? No? No okay,so he went around to go to his...

...qualifying lap, but before he took thegreen he stopped because he didn't like the way he got out of four. So heturned around, but he went all the way back around the track, a if we wantedif he wanted to reset he had to go down pit road so when he came around and didhis lap, Nasar informed them and everyone that his lap was disqualified, I'm Gonta do the properway. Yeah I mean we saw a couple of peopleout in social media be like, and this is why we should have qualifying everyweek, but you know yeah yeah, but yeah. There's a lot of news to talk.There was a lot of yeah. There was last week was a huge week for crazy news andthe guys on vs definitely called it for sure, because they were, I think bread Griffon was like. Oh No. This isgoing to be a huge week, end news, so yeah we had a little peak at like kind of like the press comforters thatwere scheduled for like Friday Saturday, and it was like announcement for G, MS,Oh yeah, let's just how I kind of get there so james is going to cop. I don't like the idea of it for them.I'm going to be honest with you: it back fired on them when they went toexpidite series for that year or two yeah, and then, when they came back totrucks they struggled for another year or two until I tis you or so. I hope they likereally like. If we're going to go to cup even part time, which I thinkthat's what they're thinking, I think if they want to go to a cup, theyhave to down size their truck to like two trucks and they gabe like a thirdpart time, there's no way they're running what they're doing now for five a week, an a and having a partTime Cup team. No, there were a lot of peculations. Ofcourse, I think there was a rumor that showed in crude was moving up to someplace after this year, and maybe that's where he's going to go so that leavesto track open that they could close down. Maybe, since the there's, a clearleko sponsorship there in the two shock yeah, but his his granddad kind of kindof feels that a yeah he's kind of he's kind of supporting g, Ms Yeah and then see Smith, I bet will stay and you knowtyling so was es probably out after this year and that kind of leaves but leaveschase purty and Jack Wood Yeah. I want to be surprit of Jack.Wood goes to to twenty three since shaers doing really bad she's, prettyso bad. This. I think he isn't. He doesn't have a top ten ye. Don't thinkI don't think so. I will double check that right now, actually for you. Solet's check that out chase pretty she's pretty. Oh, my God He's twenty tenpoints. He does not have a tap ten hoo yeah Yikes, Parker clinger with onemore solid run, will pass him in points. Oh my God he's run like what four orfive races this year, six races to rees. Twelve, Oh, my God, Rafila a still. Have Him points Jeez beside I, okay. I hope here's what I hope with G MS next yearthat one cup ride. I hope it's split between Sheldon creed and Zane Smith,and I hope it's part time and then I hope, those who are stillrunning trucks, and so is Jack, wood or whatever rotation they do with thethird truck. They don't need to have a fourth truckout there. They don't need to have a fifth truck out there. The only reasonthey need to even have the third or fourth truck is, if yes, Jack, would or cup guysstupid race or two. I think that would be the smart movefor G. Ms Yeah Yeah, I think yeah. I agree withthat m speaking of G, MS, we kind of went over this in the in the dog Kobe interview andthey asked them yeah. We had. We had two different questions. We got aquestion of. Why hasn't? He really got a nationalist series and then we had aquestion about like a tracky, Wan, derasa and Bristol was one of them, andthis guy literally one day later after interview, Doug go be Racing Bristol,with G. MS, in a truck series- that's it's so cool, but like I wish we couldhave gotten that news first would have been sweet, but obviously we get why he kick. Heecouldn't announce anything, but you...

...know was I going to go with that? Oh it'slike he talked about how serch kind of to Kip keep his lips like the months or like three months yeah. It's like Dave. It Yeah! That's hugefor him! Now he's been racing for like almost twenty years and he's frownedthey got on. I mean it's one race, but like shon national series. Sometimesthat's all you need sometimes Sam mayor capitalize it on yeah. We saw ithappened extremely well for him. I mean we saw it this this year, WID JoshBarry granted. He had run all but one race up until then, but still it's it's big. Speaking of we're going to go on bigger,calling racing announced their plans for next year. They havebought two charters, both respire just in Haley's, going to be full timeag almoners and we part time and the two. The two charters are from spiremotor sports, one from the track house, Ninety nine which was leased and thenthe seventy seven car, and that's pretty much the newsunfortunate. I don't know if it's really a yeah,it's unfortunate for swars but, like I think the they'll be doing thisseventy son part time next year. I do not to be the smart, yeah yeah, there'sno way that spire is going to go down to one car that for the entire year andnow not for the entire year Banias in to keep his charter yeah. I M. I think this is again looking the sameroute as g ms you're, going to have two full time: cars. How many cars do you run in expind? Doyou run three? Do you run to? I think they would run to and then athird part time card, because whenever Haley would want to run those expidite races because you'd have it say, almondine sgoing to be full time and expind again. Let's just say: that's! That's where itis. You probably are Jeb Burton again right m and then what do you do with that? I think thesmart thing to do would be to make that third car part time, if not exist atall. I think that's! That's the smartestmove put Jeb. You can leave Jabin a ten and then Jan the sixteen yeah Aj in sixteen andthen like all the sponsors from like the elevencor and everything you know, Lee filter they're, probably going to follow. Ralyyeah yeah well they're in a fall hale, but they could all sport Jeb a littlebit too. Yes, a pass p Pons your problems this year that could help themnext year with them closing down a whole car. I think that'd be a smartdecision as we for sure and then do be wish to talk about s, because I I seethem hit the dirt for the first tea astrid a race to at the dirt andKnoxville Miss we kind, and it is not disappointed a God such a great. It was.I was yeah, that's a great race. I don't have nothing complain aboutPoltice, probably hit the wall like sixteen a toot, even race star he justlike he will se at the wall and every restart. I think I is crazy shout out to a Francis Junior and HaleDeacon. I definitely didn't I I didn't think Haley was going to compete withthem. I had a feeling she could be somewhat allright like six, but no. She was running second and third like the entire butyeah, because because no one else really has that much dirt experience, Imean even with the she she has like the slightest third experience, like a lot of otherguys have a lot less yeah Ernie France is definitely showed up. Michael Watcher did to him was one damnthing that was crazy. I wish you won that that the whole thing he was closewith like twenty to go. He was right on yeah and then Deacon and Annie Francisgot by and those two and Tony Stuart checked owl from the rest of them, but no they're, two weeks in a row S RXis just killing it dude, absolutely killing it. I Bar Oh yeah and then next week they'll be going to TonyTony's track so we'll see if he can go to in a row, I think I'll go to in arow easily yeah. I don't see anyone coming close again, although Deaconwill be race in that race too. I'm...

...pretty sure so. She'll have anotherweek in the cars. So who knows he could compete with him. That'd be interesting,do where she wins a ASRAC before she got a truck R. Oh my God, that'd! Be that be crazy.Honestly, though at least she's not like backer someone say someone saythat out loud who, so so what I in Vigee kind of les e Con, he reallyexpidite race, the trick. Yeah Decaen, the there's. Only one thing to knowfrom that. I boys get on one hundred. That's aboutit fool! Well, I! As car, we not really touch on Ryan Priestwinning this first truck star, that is to re. That was a really good finished,routine Gillin and finger and priest priest yeah. So I was I washoping Tom was going to win. I was hoping a finger just for the story butlike Oh, he he's having he kicked out of hisfull time rid and he just making the most like every single star. Well Yeah.I get that a hundred percent, but at the same time it's kind of like I want it tod to win a yeah. I had toshow some fans are on that way, but no that was that was excellent racing.I thought when tod was going to get by priests that and fingers next open todwas going to get away, but then Gilland and prese kind of both had likea situation in one of the corners and priest gotts outside and got backaround him to where he was able to hunt down and finger and Ta's just like Damn,but but no perhaps the priest he's got a truck win now and especiallyin his first first trek race. I had someone tried to compare him to cascineand a was went off that I decide to be polite. So sorry, if you see this dude now remove this Sunday, where Eric aMarola won the pole yeah that we couldn't believe it either yeah. Actually he was actually some hotwasn't competitive, but he was top had all ray so props to him. He did betterthan I expected, even after the poll yeah. What did you get? He got I six, no, nolike fifth or fourth or something like that. Yeah fit. He got forth. He gotfour a chase got DC, but o chase wasn't up there. Regardless of that point yeahhe was still finished like thirteenth yeah yeah, but no Pramar came roly foe lot ofthere's a lot of guys to touch a lot of Chinori Ross chest. I E second yeah. Weget step right over Larson, yeah, Larson dominated guys by the way. Incase he did know yeah. He won the race o like two hundred sixty four left thatroom estan got. Second Stenhouse was to Fite Dude. I thoughthe was gonna, be the one guy to threaten lars all day dude. At onepoint he looked like he was the guy to compete with him. I was where the hellis this coming from, but no swares then finished severaleyes. Much needed curt boy had a really good t yeah finally, B, they actuallyran out with like a lap and half to go yeah and then the car the car wasspattering after that and Christopher Bell. Finally, is his firstgood race and like on my four months, yeah he didn't shop, an throw the end.I mean ninth propers to him Kyle Bush. What even happened that car it wouldjust handling it, wouldn't offer deepen with handling, and they just came backfor eleven in any call his car bucket of Crappin yeaping yeah, a Oh, my God,Rinnen top fifteen props to him cool, go Lajune. I was so happy when I sawthat because, like I obviously the they didn't touch on anyone beyond twelve,basically the entire race but dude I was like watching. I was like okay. Isee him on the leader board. Oh Sixty, let's go that's absolute dubs rightbehind him, Anthony Alfredo. I mean props to him top twenty to twenty allday. He had that speed all day yeah. I shows again how much practice hequalifying helps ay to the rookies. I mean that's about it. I mean gibbssucked all day dude they were no. There were no shows until the veryend I mean Kyle, looked good for the most part and Denny Deddy was runninglike eighth, be gosther. Yeah Yale got screwed out of the top twentyfive by flat tire and stuff. Like that, anddo there was one point: Did he restart like six? He Restart N, my tenth everytenth yeah. I E. I saw the sea on the...

...lead lap. I saw this speed kind ofbecause at some point Fred he was on there.Someone got under him and down the front strikes like he was still likeside by side like his straightaway speed was like right there. It wascrazy to watch- and I was looking im like I feel like this is normal, likehe doesn't look normal like j Hale's like side dropping this guy, thirty first just chase Bisco, he wastop five. I mean she strategy like he was like Tasper Ko was having so gayand then breaks which he was a really frequent topic. It killed the Chris Busher and Ryan Bleeny Yeah e one worse thing than good old quin house on the first lapstar, come race dude how the hell? What do we even know what I did they just nothave to logic in or even know. We even happened like what. How did it evenwork? Do you just not put Luk? That's on the beginner. I H, I turned the raceon and it was lap three and there is just going back green. I'm like whathappened. What I don't I don't know, but thatdefinitely shook up the shock up the old points. Yeah, especially the ChrisBusher. He Lost Botoke Sad. He lost thirty nine points which is a it washuge to both skirt Bush and Stan House San, as is still a good ways back. Imean swars also kind of benefited and she got second in Stage one ended upafter the DK. It's a big points game I mean Rosh Chestains performance. Lately I mean, I think he could definitely be contendedfor the play offs now. I think we could start talking about him. You want toknow the scary thing, but see those four or five guys busher throughchesting pull off some miracle and wind races, Larson wins one more race or you know,does Larson things. Denny Hamlen won't make the play offs. All is Larsen Larsen's only ten pointsbehind denny if denny does not get a win and there's some miracle magic thatgoes on behind him, denny would not make the play offs well hold up. Larson is only ten points behind DennyHamlin ner when denny was untouchable at hislike eighty five point gap, yeah there's a legitimate chance ofdenny does not win, and these other guys do because you got to rememberHervi still hasn't one yet Austin dolents at one. Yet you always pointout Kurt Bush still hasn't gotten his one win in the season. Yet so there'sthree more wins right. So that puts the cut off marker at it'd, be what Redick Redicote Busher. Iforgot. I do have oh David Damme he's like he said he figureout a good racing store and he could share it right now, right now, yeahyeah. If he wants to hop back on, he just message you, okay, so back with the play offs. What was it? I got to see how much thethe play off was before the race one. Second, it was sixty points between a busher and deBetide O, and now it's only twenty four between Busher and curt Bush depend on t had a Shida yeah.He lost some cylinder. So that's a huge change in the that's a huge change ofthe play offs. If Kurt wins he's got that one bonus point. We know how muchwe know how much one point literally means in the play offs. You saw it lastyear, Yeah Kevin Harve anyway, his not a bad a for the weekend. Ithink that's about it for the weekend. was there any news that broke today? No,there was no hey welcome up so I was like I were serving dinner andI was like man. I wish I had a you know, kind of a brain bar moment. You guysasked about a racing story. Yeah did you see the picture? I just sentyou yeah, I did see. I did get that picture. I send it over to Chris tookay, so maybe sat over Christ and then II'll tell you guys about it, which one are you guys? Underdone? OhTexas, jees. Okay, all right this year, Oh boy, oh boy! This is a good one, so this was a in Phoenix that a trackcalled man need speed way, which is...

...like the coolest dirt track. I've everbeen to eas a half mile dirt track super fast. There was a junk yardbetween turns three and four and they used to always tell the drivers. Idon't know if they were joking or serious, but they were like in a springcar I mean it was. It was very you know s, you can easily clear the fence andblind up in the junk yard and they would tell the drivers if you end up inthe junk care either you can get out of your car. Get Out quick and get youknow, get up his high as you can and if not just stay in your car, and then youknow that the guy come out and let the let the dogs off. So I'm not sure ifthat was a scare, the drivers or not, but that was always a big joke, butanyways this was at the end of the year. Wewent to a pretty big show there and I can't remember, can remember what yearit had to be probably h. This was probably two thousand two is Ibet, and this the picture just sent you thatwas in the heat race. A I mean that was lap, one turn one. They go barling offin the corner and I don't know what happened, but somebody somebody'smessed up and got into somebody in the whole. Pretty much the whole heat rategot wanted up in turn, one and the driver usually getting on the blue helmat that's rat. That's the guy that I was Creichton for so he ended up on topof the pile and he were like man like you know, we'rejust lucky: everybody's okay, like nobody got, hurt the cars believe it ornot. The cars weren't damaged other than some body work. So we got the cartowed back to the pits we got it fixed in. This was a two day show so youdidn't qualify. You know the first day you had to go through the whole processagain, the next day after that reced just start in the back of everythingyou know and we ended up working our way up and we qualified for the secondnight show that night and we went back to thehotel parking lot and I mean, were we stripped the body off that thing andwe're running over the panels with the truck you know trying to straighteneverything out and we got the car fixed. We got everything done God back to therace the next day, and I think we ended up finishing second in that race and itwas a pretty big race at the end of the year. So I think for me that was justthe coolest. You know to be under so much pressure and to come out. You know with the secondplace point after all, that I thought that was pretty cool. That is a crazy story that is insanewhat that is insane wow wow that it's hard to believe it's evenharder to tell like how all those cars ended up like that, and that is nutsyeah yeah the definitely the junker story. Ithought you, I thought you're going to say one of you guys ended up in theretoo. I thought that's where those kind of I never saw anybody and I've seenyou know, videos, you know watching it on t V, I've seen people in up in thejunk yard, but I've never been there when somebody has. That track was fastenough, though, that it wasn't that time. But we went another time and one of my good friends, Josh Buyer, hisDad Donny buyer. He was racing and he got a CR. No, he wasn't in the crash,he was, he was running and somebody flipped in front of them and they wereflipping high enough down the back straightway that he went underneaththeir car a speeder. So either it was. It was a fast track. It was alot of fun and I think they ended up tearing it down and building houseswhich sucks, because it was a really cool track to go SI. That was probablya safety reason at some point to at that point, because that yeah, if yousay they're, probably carrying you, say someone that I drove under other caryeah while I was flipping, so they got to be killing some serious, botter, soyeah. But Anyway, I thought I'd share that story with you guys that was apretty pretty cool story. Yeah. Thank you. Preciate share you very much forthat. Yeah, not a Guy Yahoudi thanks. So here he is, and the first winner ofthe new superstar racing experience. Dog Kobe here is the one and Staffordthis past weekend and he is also a six time champion in the wheel and modifiedseries. So how you doing? I'm good just kind of enjoying the week and doingsome work getting ready for our next modified tour race, that river head onSaturday and kind of soaking in all of the old SR x, atmosphere and all thefun stuff that comes along with that yeah I was. I was listening to DCactually earlier today, so I was listening to your interview with thoseguys and they had some great questions and interesting comments, and yourreplies are just awesome to that too. Thanks, I I mean I go way back withFreddy back to pretty much the beginning of my career,the modified tours, probably close to his beginnings on the modified tour toand he's a good dude we've had a lot of fun together drinking at the race trackafter the races and breaking each other's balls. When we'reyou know doing not doing too good, usually sometimes it happens when we'reworking with each other, but at the same time you know it's all abouthaving fun and he's one of my great...

...friends through racing and it's prettycool to see him. You know move up as a spotter from you know: River had raceway on long, island, weekly and then doing tor modified to r stuff, and thenall the the cool things he's been doing. So it's not always about the drivers.You know there's a lot of a lot of different parts of auto racing and NAScar, especially, and there are a lot of a lot of cool people, doing someawesome, stuff and awesome to see. Good friends do well and and honestly,they've been great and really supportive of me with the whole SR xthing. That's awesome, that's actually great!We've hed to talk about the amount of different people and moving parts weactually had. Quite a we've had a couple of guys that we had the realEdwards, who is Christopher Bell's Jack Man and the fifty four car and JohnHunter Amacha, and then we've also had Ryan sparks to his Cortejo cercy. So wedefinitely understand all the moving parts to the sport and all this, andthat which is which is pretty cool. You get everyone's different perspectiveson that yeah. Of course I mean there's lots of different backgrounds and a lotof people from the North East down there doing some cool things, and youknow it's awesome to see. You know we're a pretty racy part of the country.It's really competitive up here at all the weekly tracks. I don't think a lot of people realizehow many tracks there are in New England that run on Friday and Saturdaynights and you know, put on some good shows and get some good crowds and lotsof good car count, and I know that sometimes weekly, it's hard to keptthat car count. You know at some of the tracks and it's hard to get more than acouple hundred fans, but you know a track like Stafford. Every Friday nightyou know jams it out with the sks they've got awesome social media forthe track and timely results and lots of news stories about their drivers andamazing sponsorship. It pays awesome, you know, pays a lot to win Staffordweekly for the S K modified, so yeah short track racing. It's awesome hadthe spotlight and that's kind of what the whole sr x deal was about. Was You know, celebrating short trackracing in America, a yeah I was. I was actually at stafffor this past week, and I saw it all on on Saturday and especially in SK modified series. Therewas a lot of names there that, like I wasn't really familiar with, but likethe the local people that go there most l every week, there were a lot a lot oflike mixed emotions in the stands and everything and it was it- was reallydifferent to see, because I rarely go to like a local track near me and tosee all like the mixed emotions and everyone sharing and booing differentpeople. It's kind of it's kind of cool to see kind of, like like a small town or like a local trackkind of like come together in those moments. Yeah I mean you know, Staffordsks are super competitive and lots of big personalities and that divisionover the years a graduate of that division and to go there every Fridaynight from you know the end of April. Until the end of September, which isStafford's race season is just a real grind than you really form rivalriesand you know learn how to race with each other and how not to race witheach other- and you know, Stafford is an amazing placeas it is it's fun to watch there. They've got a great atmosphere, but youknow they're on flow racing now, every week, every Friday night. So it doesn'tmatter if you're in Connecticut- and you can't you know you can't keep upwith it. You can, you know, pay the the small fee that it is for the flowracing subscription for the year and if you're, already a flow racingsubscriber you can just log on and watch Stafford, speedway weekly and youknow the thing about weekly racing and even the touring series level. Like themodified tour. You know you just have to watch a handful of races and youstart to learn the names of the drivers and I always even think about it. Likethe other divisions at Stafford. You know if you just watch the streetstocks or the late models or any division there. More than a half adozen times, you start to learn who the key players are, and you know I kind oflook at you know that kind of like what I represent with the modified tour. Imean all of our racing around NB sports, Nas car broadcast everything live forthe modified tour and NB sports. If you have this ence sports gold subscription,you can just watch it. So we got a river head this Saturday, and ifanybody wants to check out the modified tour, you can watch it live and get toknow who some of the drivers are, and you know when it comes to moving up andin racing these days you know social media presence is big and namefollowing is big and the way that you get, that is by havingtracks like Stafford that are putting their weekly drivers out on flow racingto get New People's eyes on the yeah for sure I think short track racing in the local trickor local racing in generals. Probably some of the most underrated racingyou'll see out there I'm from Michigan. So I see all the short trek stuff thatgoes out here and all the even just small town fairs and all that because,where I'm from, we have one of the...

...bigger fairies in Michigan, so we seeall the local guys that do all the bumped around figurates and all thatand that's all you know, ter your stuff up come back to another place the nextweek, but it's you learn even from just there to who who the guys are, thatcompete, weaken and week. Out with that, it's nice to see that yeah, the guysfrom Berlin race way, are desperately trying to get the wheel ofmodified tour there. I talked to them at the Nasca banquet two years ago andthey they really want us there and it would be, you know great, to get themodified in front of the Midwest fans. It's just an awful long trip to travel.For you know twenty four teams that are mostly based in ConnecticutMassachusetts, Long Island. So you know the extra travel is tough, the extratime off of work. You know people have to remember that our series- everybodyis volunteer cruise, you know so for racing on a Saturday and we have a fullday of travel on Friday and then you know full day of travel again on Sundaynought that we can't do it. But Nas cars done a pretty good job ofbalancing our schedule with travel races down south to places like Myrtlebeach. We used to go to Bristol. You know those types of tracks, you know, and who knows I mean I thinkyou'll probably see us starting to run some of the tracks in Ohio and Michiganand Indiana. At some point we raised at generous town now in Pennsylvania andwe're going to go to Lancaster speedway in western New York, which is a littlelittle ways near Buffalo. So those are pretty big trips for us and you knowit's important to get us in front of new fans and when, when people seedrivers like me, you know s Rx and Ryan priest running the Cup series and allthe great things he's done for promoting our series. You know it justkind of expands. Our footprint a little bit and just really great racing with themodified and super cool cars, and I know you guys out in the Mid West, youhave a car, you call modified but they're, not like our ground, poundermodified, you know, they're totally different and and that's a hard thing.Actually it's something I've thought about is that it's hard. You knowpeople in other parts of the country. Everybody has a modified division andmost of them are those insist, yle modified or like the Florida modifiedthat they run down south and they're. Just not what we R Lhat a northeasttour type modified is, so you know, people who see our divisionusually get hooked on it. Pretty quick, because the cars handel great they'rekind of, like you, know, everybody who loves the spring cars in the Midwest.It's like their little rocket ships and ours- are, you know other than thesuper modified were about as close as you come on asphalt to something likethat where it's got a ton of power and great handling and super exciting. Soit's a cool series O be a part of, and you know I'm just representing withthis whole Sri, just representing the tour tight muts, Oh yeah, for sure it's,it's so cool to see all the different kinds of racings that go on throughoutthe country in general. But one thing that came to my mind explain how you got the deal to be ansread run against everyone, because to anyone that doesn't pay attention toNasar or the lower series of NASCA. They were like well who's. This guyhe's, not you know, indie card champion or ascar champion. Just yeah just explain how this old dealcame about yeah sure. So you know staffers my home track andI've been racin. I had started racing there, probably before you guys wereborn one thousand nine hundred and ninety six was my first year and no one track championships there in onethousand, nine hundred and ninety eight and two thousand and then followed theprogression up through the ranks to the to the wheel, a modified tour andthat's the that's the king of the racing up in the northeast. I mean it'sthe the touring series that everybody in the northeast wanted to be a part ofand wants to win on, and after a couple years of trying, I finally won someraces and then, after many years of trying to start, I started to winchampionships and I won six championships on the modified tour and between two thousand and twelve and twothousand and nineteen, and you know at the time Nasar startedbroadcasting the modified tour races on NB sports and they were hiring guyslike Ray Everham, to call the races and so ray was doing a lot of prep work tolearn who the modified tour drivers were- and I happened to I happen- to grow up racing with raisedby Aaron, and so it was just a natural connection for for me for ray to reachout to me to ask questions about the modified so that he could becomeeducated on our series. You know raise a modified guy race at Wall Stadium inNew Jersey, so he's always followed the modified. But you know my my friendship with himreally actually started from him. Just following the tour, probablyfrom like two thousand a d fourteen until now- and he knows that that there's a handful of us that runup front on the tour quite often- and then you know when he started dreamingup this SR x series and the local competitor at the local track. You knowI knew as soon as he said he wanted to go to Stafford that if they bookStafford I knew at least that'd be in discussion for it. Certainly there areother drivers like Heath Rocco who has...

...kind of a national name for his weeklyracing efforts. You know, I think, obviously, if Ryan priest wasn'trunning the cup series, he would be somebody that would be thought of to doit and you know, rages kind of gave me shot me a text back in February. I was just about to go to new smurna torace, so it was the beginning of February or the end of January, and hejust said: Hey. You know: We've locked in this SR X D at Stafford and we'regoing to definitely do a local guy. You know they didn't know they were goingto do the local cars with the Super Stars. That was something I think rayhad to really pitch the rest of the team on that was putting sr x togetherand once he got the blessing to do that, he just shot me a text and said: Heygive me a buzz. We got to talk, Sr x and Y. Let me know he wanted me to doit and then I had to keep it secret for, like I don't know over a month, it was well over a monththat they didn't announce it until like April, and I kept asking them because Ihave like loose lips and I kept asking him. I'm, like you know, are you guysgoing to announce this any time soon, and so they had to come up with theirplan because they weren't at the time they were announcing all their fulltime drivers all through February and March. They were doing thoseannouncements like every couple days and they wanted to wait until the endto do all of the local drivers to secure their plan for all the localdrivers, with the four of us they picked and in the slinger nationalswinner and then whatever they're going to do at Nashville. So they had somethings to figure out and you know they made the an announcement and then youknow it was kind of a Dun deal. That is, that is awesome, be, and youmentioned Everham, and all this of that I was, I was a huge. Obviously I was ahuge case, came fan so when Everham said that he was going tobe a part of this, I was like Oh hell, yeah and then obviously you mentioned mgetting in in ninety six and I'm like somly two years before I was born, youknow with not too bad, but I'm an old guy. So I figured that mostly the youngkids are born in the two sand. That's okay! That's fine! I'm just I'm justbefore I'm still still, okay and now troy. On the other hand, no guys I'mfour yeah, there's a little bit of agebetween the Open Age, yeah sure you got yeah okay. So, let's justlet's just jump in the extee, so I could probably guess like a modifiedand the SX cars are like polar opposites. Kind of like is thereanything that you could take from like driving the modified for so many yearsand like put into when you raised Destra cars yeah? I think so. You know, I think you just getexperience out of track and I have a lot more experience than just tomodified at Stafford, and I've been fortunate enough to last. Like handfulof years, I've run some asphalt midgets with the northeastern midgesassociation, so getting out of the comfort zone of themodified. I ran a Cann car at Thomson in two thousand and seventeen, so I think that I'm fairly adaptable,you know even the Stafford scase to a tour car to totally different types ofmodifies. They might look the same, but they race totally different differentmotor combination, different car Brador, different horse power, all sorts ofstuff. So I think I'm pretty flexible when it comes to getting aroundStafford and yeah. The SR X car was a little bit of a beast, a little unknownbeast for all of us. You know race said from the beginning. He wasn't settingit up to be a perfect handling race, car and you know I'm used to trying tohave a perfect handling race car. So that was a challenge just to try to notmake it perfect, then to deal with what it was but handling wise, very close to theKann car that I drove- and maybe that's just because it's a full body car witha similar tire, but it just seemed to kind of want to be pretty fast down thestraightaways similar to a modified power power wise. But then it just youknow those cars. Just don't have the the grip. With the wide tires that Ihave in the modified and the the snappiness of the handling, youknow they're just a little lazier and they like things to go a little slowerand they like you to be a little more gentle on the throttle and let the carkind of roll through the corner kind of, like I'm sure, a cup Er, an expiditecar would so they're. Not they were a challenge tofigure out, but I felt like I adapted well and I did take a lot of my littletricks from the modified to that car and it actually handled them prettywell, and I just kind of dialed them back a little bit to work. For that. I got thrown off my train right. Theresure you got I'm going to try to remember I. What was the question so when you, whenyou won, how was like the the feeling of it alland like how all like the big names they were racing like came up.Congratulate you like what was like the atmosphere like when you won well hurt, because I fell on my asswhen I got out of the car and that...

...didn't feel too good. But I mean justthe support from the crowd was Pretty Pretty Awesome Stafford with rock inthat night, and I don't know if the people on TV could really tell you knowwhat kind of environment it was in the atmosphere, especially for somebodygoing there as many years as I've been there. It's they get great crowds, butthat was that was a special crowd and you know they all rallied behind me.Obviously to win, and you know all the guys that I raced with were awesome.They were really interested in me as a driver in my background and how I gotto race in the series and learning about the track and all that stuff, andI tried to give them as many tips as I could and I think they appreciated it.You know I mean I'm not there to keep secrets I'll. Just tell you exactlywhat I try to do and you can try to figure it out. I'm not somebody typically who getslike I'm not like star struck in general, but yeah I mean you know when I seethose guys and I you know, get a little nervous meetinghim for the first time. I'm like this is Bill Elliot. You know this, isn'tjust some guy, you know walking around the race track. It's bill, freakingElliot, and you know Tony of course is so used to meeting young guys and well,I'm not young, but you know what I mean just you know. Everybody Tony knowsthat a lot of us look up to him as kind of a mentor, even though you know hedoesn't mentor us. We look at him as a model, for you know how to have a long,long racing career and be versatile and do all sorts of stuff like he's doingon in the race track and all the cool things he does so yeah I mean it was awesome. I thinkthose guys know. I had a little bit of an unfair advantage with my lapse thatI have at the track, but they certainly respected that, and you know I thinkthey were. They were happy that I want, and I think that it made you know theseries was happy it made for good TV. It made for a good story to start off,and you know it puts a little bit of pressure on the other local guys BrianBrown this week at Knoxville- and he was Texina me to you, know, ask me howthe car was and all sorts of stuff so we're having fun with it. And you knowa lot of times these days, racing just stops being fun, and I've always saidthat you know a lot a lot of these drivers that I see doing other stuff.You can just tell they're not having fun race in the car and they're missingout on the cool side of racing, which is having beers with your friends ifyou're of age having beers with your friends after you win, and you know hanging out with your crew andcamping, like I camp with my guys at the races all the time- and you knowthat's fun- it's not always about just you know, saying the right thing allthe time and it's not always about not making mistakes, because we all makemistakes. You know I fell out of the car because I slipped on the window netand I was embarrassed as hell. I guess what I just won the race I just beatLeo Castanetas, like I mean come on, so I don't care that I fell out a car. Youknow it is what it is, and you know I laugh because I see some people justconstantly share in the video and stuff, and it's like that doesn't bug me inthe slightest bit. I laugh I can laugh at myself and and I was having fun andthat's what racing is. So it's been, it's been a great week, lotsof people, you know sending me text and I can't even respond to everybody yetso it's been been awesome yeah, so you mentioned the th how, when people move up and kind ofget into the more like serious, like higher levels of racing, that they kindof like lose the fun, sometimes in it and like to hang out- and you know,parting aspect of racing- that's behind it. Is that a reason like that you reallyhaven't like moved up that much and like showed a lot of interest and likegoing up into like the higher ranks. Yeah, I mean it still comes down tomoney and sponsorship, and I've struggled with that to struggle findingsponsorship. My whole career, really until I landed me, Hu tools in twothousand, a D, seventeen or sixteen. I think it was the end of sixteen, somayhew's been awesome and they're kind of getting their feet wet and racing,and they support me and everything that I do and they you know, there's Budget Sto and I'm happy withthem with the modified tour. You know I would say I don't want to blame anybodyof them myself for maybe not pursuing something more Ryan priest prove thatyou can not have a whole ton of sponsorship and round things up and getthings done like when he got the Joe gibs racing opportunity he had to. Youknow lean on a lot of people who have supported him in his racing career. Soyou know that's because Ryan had a mission and Ryan's mission, since hewas five years old, was to become a ASCAR Cup driver and when he started tosee the door was cracked open, he tried to kick it down and he did I think forme. I was always focused on you know. What'snext locally and what's next with a modified tour and finding myself and anestablished, modified tour ride and you know any sponsorship I got I always puttowards that. So I could have hired a marketing company.I could have gone out to try to raise. You know a couple hundred thousanddollars for a few races in expidite or something like that, but that was justnever never me and never. My focus and never not to say that I wouldn't o doit or that I wouldn't want to do it.

But again, you know I'll take theresponsibility for that, for not being you know, crazed to go and make ithappen. So yeah, I'm happy where I am. I have hada good career, I'm a little old now to be trying to move up to somethingbigger, but you never know. crazier things have happened, and you knowyou'll notice in Nasca that there's always like little shifts in the tide.From you know, whatever people are finding to be the best drivers for vacant rides and alot of times. It's who ever's got the most money, but right now you know guys,like Josh Berry Pave in the way for short trackers who are under funded andthen performing well. I think you see me in the SR series, and most peopleknow that I'm just to a lot of people and now name modified guy, butperforming well and ultimately racing should come down to performance and itshouldn't matter if you're, eighteen or forty one or twenty two whoever can dothe best in the vehicle, should be granted the opportunities, and I think,there's a little bit of a shift towards that right now. Over the last handfulof years, you mentioned definitely talent overmoney. That is one thing M, and I especially we always talkabout in the couple of group chats where in is that you just see these guys that get rides. They probably shouldn't bein, but are there because of money or you know whatever funding that comestheir way, and you know it's a business, it's a business and these teams need topay employees and they have lives at the end that they have to support andit takes money to do that, and you know that's why you know it's a combinationof everything. It's a combination of you know what the sponsors are lookingfor and who the sponsors are. Sometimes people's parents know the sponsors, andsometimes people's parents are the sponsors and and there's no there's noproblem with that. There should be a mix. There should be a good mix ofdrivers in all the series, and I think right now we're definitely we're veryskewed heavily right now on the younger driver development type drivers who, quite frankly many of them, wouldn'tsurvive a top ten and an S K modified at Stafford, and it would probably takethem many years to win and and that's not saying that they're not capable. Itjust means that they're a lot of drivers that have a lot to learn- and Ithink you know if you have the mix of the mat craft ins and the JohnnyShatters and veteran drivers who you know can can make it interesting andmake these kids work for it. Then I think you have something going good. Ithink when you have an automatic entry because of how much money you have andthen you root out some of these guys that are still really great drivers andinstead they become driver, coaches or spotters, well, paid driver, coaches orspotters. I think you just lose a little bit of the fun factor of theseries. You know, and I do see a little bit of you know. I see a little bit ofchange in the tide so to say, and I think that that any momentum that anyshort tracker can get is a good thing. So, if I'm just you know, if somebodysays like hey man, you remember, Josh Barry did good. You Remember du Kobewhen the SR X, race and it leads to some other short tracker, getting ashot. I think that's awesome, because we all kind of play a part it I so yeah. That's definitely somethingthat has gone away but, like you said, is the tightest turning because I still,I still remember growing up, because I I can say I'm old enough to rememberthat all the guys that came through the short checks and got these odd ballrace seals in the s O s, who were the guys. You have mark Martin and RustyWallasena, all those guys that came from short tracks first and then gottheir way up to get these major rides. And now you just see yea all the youngkids with money and all this, and that who have the sponsors and, like yousaid, it's a business nowadays which is kind of the sad part, and we see it,though, with the younger guys to they're. It's definitely not a lack of talents.It's more of a lack of experience, yeah as a Aras maturity life experienced.You know, I mean again there's no problem with those those scenarios, butit always used to just be a handful of those. And now it seems likeit's just the majority, and you know if we can get a good balancethere. It'll make the racing a lot better and you have to just listen tothe fans and whatever the fans want is what what needs to happen, and you know,hopefully, the sponsors see that reflected and their bottom line when they, when theychoose somebody who can do a good job representing the brand on the fans,responded by buying the product for sure for sure. Well, I know there'stwo questions we usually like to ask, and I guess we get so I'll start withone. That's it's fun that sometimes we get the OH. I know how to answer it,but then they just go right away. First, one. What is probably your funniest or best momentary experiencefrom the check,...

I think a lot of it center surround.You know some of the some of the things that we do as drivers that fans andeven crew members don't realize just because the driver, you know drivers inmy series we all have a relationship with each other, so sometimes we'll youknow smash the crap out of each other just for fun, and it's not because youknow somebody might look at it and say: Oh my God, he just drilled them. Hehates him, but sometimes it's out of like fun and friendship. So those arethe. I don't know I don't have like A. I don't really keep like a top ten listof like the most fun things, but I think for me it's just the. I have alot of time, a lot of fun joking around with people, and I have a lot of funwhen people when that's reflected in my racing and people, can tell thatsomething like that happens that we're just doing for the pure fun factor.Obviously it takes some skill to not wreck your car, but sometimes you knowjust the little hand jesters that we give each other, as you can imaginewhat it would be stuff like that. You know a lot of ithas to do with mutual respect and then having fun with each other. So for me,the fun the funest thing is, is being at the track with with everybody, andyou know, kind of chasing each other to be better and that's how I have my fun. That's awesome, that's awesome and thenanother one which might be a more of an ad bole question. Given that it's a little bit, I don'twant to say later in the career, but it's been, it's been a pretty solid one. What's a short term goal and a longterm goal short term goal is to find a way to time Mike Stefanik andwhen a seventh modified to our championship. You know this is a guy who's, gettinginducted into the Nasca Hall of fame and really was a mentor for me and manydrivers in the northeast and a model of a champion. If you guys could have evermet him, I mean just the way he conducted himself in the race, car andout of the race car so deserving of that honor. So short term goal is to tosomehow find a way to win number seven. I missed a race last week for us for amiss s. We go race last week, so I put me in a little bit of a hole and wehave great competitors on the tour. So it's going to be a challenge to dig outof that hole, but I'm going to try and if it doesn't happen this year, I'lltry again next year. You know the long term goal, I think,is just continued success for short track, racers and being an ambassadorfor that, and remembering that you know people arewatching now and it's hard for. Somebody like me, like I don't thinkabout stuff like sx, changing anything for me, but it does. It means thatpeople are going to look on my twitter account and my instar and my face bookpage and you know kind of scrutinize the things that I say and I need tomake sure that I'm you know representing my sponsor as well andrepresenting short track racing well, and I think that if we, if I can be a partof that that would be really exciting to see you know the shift in in racinga little bit keep going and to know that I was a part of that and who knows.Maybe there are some opportunities you know, even as my career, you know Idon't necessarily think my first winding down, but I'm certainly pastthe halfway point of my career. That's for sure- and you know, maybe therewill be some opportunities. You know from things like SR x, to get involvedand help I like promoting- and I like dreaming of like cool short track,races and all sorts of stuff. So you know maybe, after my short track careeris over. If I never get a chance to do something more in the the top parts ofASCAR. Maybe I become somebody who gets more involved in helping the shorttracks, be better down the road, so that saying that that's a given or thatI've even necessarily want to do it after I race, because I don't know butcertainly points to that direction. For me to be involved in the you know thebusiness side of helping short track racing get better than it already is so that I would say it would be an awesome,long term goal to pursue, and just you know, kind of keep getting the word out aboutthese awesome short tracks that exist around the country. It's awesome, that's awesome, hell,yeah, Troy, do you have anything yeah, so you've raced it a lot of tracks.Everty, here's a lot of short tracks. Mostly. Is there still a short trackaround the country that you still have like a goal to race that one day that's hard to say because there's alot of good ones that I don't know about, I've never been to a dirt track.So I don't know you know, I don't necessarily know I'msure, there's some great dirt tracks out there. Probably. I would say you knowsomething like five flags to run the snowball Derby. That would probably be,if you said, okay, which track have you never raced at that you'd want to racethat I'd probably want to be there. For that one event and that's more aboutthe event. I think that maybe the track...

...you know, certainly if I could ever wina race that Bristol that would be like you know my childhood dream in a sense,not necessarily my adult a dream, but my childhood dream was always to be aguy that was dominant at Bristol or something like that and you know so.There will see how that you know ever pans out, but yeah I mean listen. There are a tonof good little short tracks out there and I always used to struggle on thequarter mile tracks and now I have quarter mile wins in the modified atManado, at White Mountain in New Hampshire and now at riverhead. So I'vekind of been honing. My skills on the the little tiny bull rings, the quartermiles, which are tough and a modified. So, for me I mean any track. I've neverbeen to I'd love to go to and win and there's there, I guess maybe Lucas oilrace way park would be another one that I watched a race that once when I was akid, a Bush, a Bush series race- and you know that would be one that if I,if we could ever run the modified there, which I would bet within the next tenyears, you'll see the modified tour racing there. If I had to guess, I think if that would be awesome, likethat's a track. I'd love to get some laps around. Oh yeah, that's awesome! SORT! Do you have anything left? I thought I did, but I for O. Now Iforget yeah. I just do I just do the question. I ask a lot of peoplewhenever come on talk contact with like a Driv or any of that. So you mentionedMike Stephanik before and he's probably answer to this question, but likegrowing up, is there a driver that you, likeidolized, the motion? Looked up to the most to become a driver that made youwant to be a driver? Not Really. You know. I started young.I started at age six and my dad was a big Dale Senior Fan, so naturally heand I gravitated towards of the Jeff Gordon Dale senior rivalry. We weredefinitely Dale senior fans and used to laugh when you know he would get intoit with Gordon, and you know we liked. I always liked aggressive drivers, butthen I had a lot of respect for, like you know, guys like Harry Gan andAlcocke, who were just always there at the end and really hard working. So I didn't have one particular driver.You know Mike Stefanik was always a driver who presented awards at myquarter, Maget banquets when I was a kid, so I had a lot of respect for himin the modified and the Bush north series that he was racing and you know,Ted Christopher was the king of the modified in the northeast and we lostTed a few years ago in a plane crash, and you know he certainly has changed.It's certainly we lost Mike Tepanec as well and is certainly the two of themnot being here as change racing in the northeast quite a bit. So I would sayyou know when I was a little kid. It was all dale senior. I wanted to belike him and aggressive and not caring what I did and what people, how I howpeople react it, because he was just so awesome at that and then, when Iactually started racing full bodied cars full size cars. I was just such afan of Mike's, Stefan ex abilities in both you know a modified and a fullsize, full bodied car. So that's kind of kind of the mits. I would say. That's awesome. That is not it. I meanit's always great to have those guys that especially one of that caliber and I especially knowing them too because seems like it seems like the modified drivers- are a lot closer than any other series of mask ar out therefor soroe yeah. But true you got anything any or any other final. I don't think Ihave any other thoughts or any questions now all right. If you want toshout out your social medias, where people can find you and maybe get intouch with you and then yeah yeah twitter, dog under score Kobe Instar Dug Goby en it simple easy. I E racing on facebook. You know I don't. I don't accept friend requests any more from people. Idon't know on my personal face book page because I'm just kind of likemaxed out almost with with friends, but you know certainly post as much as Ican on the Dukoveskoie, whatever racing page, whatever itcalled. So I'm there I'm around I'm on that social media. A lot so go yeah.Well, it's been awesome having you on, and this was obviously a greatconversation that we had and super excited to. Have you on here yeah. Well,thanks for out ou very much mayor have a good one you to to okay dude that one a lot Betoni a beena lot better. Oh I did that. I was doing quite a bit of research. We weresitting here talking earlier so but yeah I pulled up a stats for a Versilike did he did he do anything in the nation is series before I asked he was sa solid driver, solid career,now dad it's that was fun. I had fun...

...with that, one for sure all right, one man who was my friend once to watch at the tricky triangle.This weekend we can't say once to watch withoutsaying Kyle, Harson yeah, that's true! It's just kind of a given at this. Isay I also say Daniel swore, as he has a moment from last week and he he rarely disappointed Pocono in the car and the time he had acompetitive car he most on here in his rookie year, and I think it runner upin two thousand and eighteen, two so look out for dinna worries. I think I'm going to have to agree withyou on both of those because Yeah War, as is actually quietly good at Poconoand then yeah. It's callers on he's going to be on pole for the first race anyways. But youknow it doesn't matter in the second race. You'll find his way up there. It's it's kind of Larson, it's twothousand and twenty one he's back can be there's definition of he's back likeyeah, yeah and then who's going to suck. Who are you staying away from its kind of hard? I think I know who I'm going to go with. I don't even know like who who to likeout for really. You can go first on that, I'm going to go with my favoritedriver because he has been shit since he won and he has had garbage lucksince he won and the last time we were at Pokan he did not perform so I'mgoing to go with Ryan Blaney. It hurts him to say that, but he's justhas nothing go on right for him right now. It's very so very sad. Am I don't know anyone? It's reallylike bad here, honestly, you know yeah, I don't know I mean youcould say I have a feeling about Alex Boman, notdoing so. Well I mean his performance. Is His wind is kind of he's the fourthhundred cronies kind of been decreasing and decreasing? And it's not it'sthought all luck. It's kind of performance to yeah. It's it'snoticeable, that's for sure yeah, because of fantasy. We can do fantasyand we will do both of them. Since you finished worse than me, you will have the firstchoice out of us too for the first race and then I'll take the second race. Youhave bell swares and Byron at your disposal. I believe that's an easy pickas easy, for I don't know who I'm going to pick first though. Well you also gota member. We do have a road course still to yeah. I know who I'm going todo who's I'm going to do Byron first war, a second because swar is I'm goingto give Bell I'm down there, but I'm going to get by on the first one, because he's his experience will kindof adapt to it more more and swar is I'll. Give second, because I have therace behind them and the team will have the info and it'll be a lot easier forhim. There you go all right. I gave Mike Larson for the first race and then the second ray I'm giving himAl Marola, because you co probably want chase for the road course yeah. I just figured I'll be nice likethat yeah makes sense, but since you took Byron for the first race and Igave Nick Larsen for the first race, themeans I have to use Leganes and he's not really performing lady now I meanhe had a he's. Actually, look like the best pens ki car week in and week out, and then I'm going to use Byron for the second race, because that way I can have one CarolLarson for the Road America Yeah Strategy Strategy, yeah, that's about it. That is about it or sothat means, and then I'll just tell you who everyone has for Road America,Kate's going to have Mer, tyler reddick...

Mike, will have chase Eliot. Asmentioned, I will have Larson, and then that meansyou will have no o yeah. So I think that will be the mostinteresting one to what that of all of them. Yeah Yeah, because of Bell, canfondly show up on a road course again that be cool with him. That way we canhave like I me of looking race, yeah now or to time so big thanks to both of our guests. Thisweek we had a dog, Kobe and David Salazar, a lot of in say a lot of things. Welearn. It was both amazing conversations. We loved it. I want to say we can't wait for Pokono,but it's Poko. It's Pol they're going to carry on with that. Soagain, think thanks for watching checking out on you tube potii applepodcast, Google podcast, all the major podcast forms pretty much and like subscribe, leave review allthat kind of stuff and we'll see you next week, so you got all ready all right. I.

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